+1. Alan.
On Apr 7, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Upayavira, > > Should we start VOTE as Stratosphere while asking for alternative names? > > - Henry > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote: >> I would suggest doing the vote and the name discussion simultaneously. >> Hopefully the name discussion can be resolved by the time infra is ready >> to do its stuff. It really is a good idea to avoid extra infra work, and >> multiple mailing list changes, if it can be helped. >> >> Upayavira >> >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 01:52 AM, Alan Gates wrote: >>> After talking with the proposers, the consensus is that the name will >>> need to change, and everyone is fine with that. But the team wants to >>> make sure we take time to choose a new name that won’t run into legal >>> issues. So we would prefer to start incubation now concurrent with the >>> name search rather than quickly pick a name now, hoping it will survive >>> the trademarks process. >>> >>> We realize this will cause some churn for infra, as we’ll end up changing >>> names on mailing lists, etc. We’re open to suggestions on how to >>> minimize this. So are we ok to start the vote? >>> >>> Alan. >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote: >>> >>>> The brand issue is an important one to be aware of, but we shouldn't let >>>> that block progress on evaluating the proposal or working with the >>>> potential new community to see how they'd fit with The Apache Way. >>>> >>>> A couple of other notes: >>>> >>>> - Finding *factual* references to similar software product names is a good >>>> thing to do up front, so we can be aware of any potential conflicts for >>>> the future. However it's not as useful to try to analyze what the >>>> potential issues are on a public list. >>>> >>>> - The ASF is happy to host any like-minded project communities who are >>>> willing to follow the core rules that we require of Apache branded >>>> projects. Part of that hosting is offering the stable APACHE house brand >>>> for the project community, as well as assistance in securing and >>>> maintaining their project identity. >>>> >>>> That said, we also have to recognize that where there are third parties >>>> with pre-existing uses of similar software product names, we can't >>>> necessarily offer the same level of defense for such a project name. >>>> >>>> Depending on the case, we may decide that a podling community is willing >>>> to accept the risk of future conflicts, and that's fine - as long as in >>>> those cases we recognize that we may be forced to change a project name in >>>> the future *if* the issue ever comes up. >>>> >>>> The trick with trademarks are that in virtually all cases, "it depends". >>>> The details matter - both on the legal details of some potential conflict >>>> of names, *as well as* the actual behavior of the parties involved. That >>>> is: just because there is an apparent conflict of names does not always >>>> mean that the two parties can't reach an agreement to each continue while >>>> recognizing each other's brands. >>>> >>>> That being said, given the wide use of "stratos" as a name associated with >>>> various cloud stuff these days, that I do recommend the proposal >>>> submitters have a serious discussion about considering a new name. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Shane (not subscribed, reading on archives) >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity >>> to >>> which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, >>> privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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