hehe right. thks
*Romain Manni-Bucau* *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>* *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/> *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau* *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau* 2013/9/19 Matt Benson <gudnabr...@gmail.com> > I discussed this with Romain and someone else (can't recall who) before he > submitted this proposal. My knee-jerk response was that a software grant > would be required, but then recalled the discussion at [1]. This leaves > the impression that the podling could proceed with merely IBM's good will, > which has been established at [2]. > > Regards, > Matt > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/ajmuxmxfdrcurswp > [2] http://markmail.org/message/5mvf5pzyiuakob4w > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Just wondering, even though the RI is ASL2, do we need to get IP > > clearance to fork? > > > > I think this last came up with BeanShell. > > > > John > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Matt Benson <gudnabr...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > JSR 352 is part of Java EE 7, so BatchEE is IMO warranted. Plus the > > > rhyming of "Apache BatchEE" is silly and fun. > > > > > > $0.02, > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Gerhard Petracek < > > > gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> easybatch is used by others already. > > >> > > >> regards, > > >> gerhard > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> 2013/9/19 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > >> > > >> > Ok guys, if I have 2 others +1 I update the proposal ;) (I think you > > are > > >> > right, that's why i proposed it) > > >> > > > >> > *Romain Manni-Bucau* > > >> > *Twitter: @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau>* > > >> > *Blog: **http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/*< > > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/> > > >> > *LinkedIn: **http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau* > > >> > *Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau* > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > 2013/9/19 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > > >> > > > >> > > +1, to be honest, I prefer EasyBatch as BatchEE sounds like > related > > to > > >> > > JavaEE which can be confusing for the users. > > >> > > > > >> > > Regards > > >> > > JB > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On 09/19/2013 01:31 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > >> Discussing with a colleague he proposed me another name: > EasyBatch. > > >> > >> Personally I like BatchEE but EasyBatch sounds quite fun even if > > maybe > > >> > >> too close to RestEasy ;) > > >> > >> > > >> > >> wdyt? > > >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau > > >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau > > >> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/< > > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/> > > >> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau< > > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> > > >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> 2013/9/18 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>: > > >> > >> > > >> > >>> Added you , thks > > >> > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau > > >> > >>> Twitter: @rmannibucau > > >> > >>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/< > > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/> > > >> > >>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau< > > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> > > >> > >>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> 2013/9/18 Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>: > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>>> Sounds interesting. > > >> > >>>> Add me as mentor if needed. > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> Cheers > > >> > >>>> -- > > >> > >>>> Olivier > > >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2013 8:22 PM, "Romain Manni-Bucau" < > > >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > >> > >>>> wrote: > > >> > >>>> > > >> > >>>> Dear ASF members, > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I would like to propose the BatchEE project to the Incubator. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> The BatchEE proposal is available at: > > >> > >>>>> https://wiki.apache.org/**incubator/BatchEEProposal< > > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BatchEEProposal> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> I welcome your feedbacks and suggestions. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Thanks! > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Here is a copy of the proposal: > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> = BatchEE, JBatch Implementation = > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Abstract === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE will be an ASL-licensed implementation of the JBatch > > >> > >>>>> Specification which is defined as JSR-352 (for version 1.0). > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Proposal === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE specification is an effort for defining a standard API > > and > > >> > way > > >> > >>>>> to write batches in Java. It is integrated with JavaEE (JTA, > > >> CDI....) > > >> > >>>>> but works out of the box in a standalone environment. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project is responsible for implementing the runtime > > >> container > > >> > >>>>> contract for the JBatch specification. Besides the > > implementation, > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE Project will implement the core built-in components > that > > >> > >>>>> further simplifies the developer complex interactions with > other > > >> Java > > >> > >>>>> EE specific enterprise operations. For example, it will define > > >> > default > > >> > >>>>> reader/processor/writer for jdbc, jpa, xml/json/flat files... > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Background === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Until today writing batches in java meant using a proprietary > > >> > >>>>> framework and link to JavaEE was quite limited (or missing). > > JBatch > > >> > >>>>> defines an API fixing this issue and now developpers need a > fix. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Rationale === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Current JBatch specificatin is released, and only the > reference > > >> > >>>>> implementation is available but not really intended to be > > >> maintained. > > >> > >>>>> Moreover multiple Apache projects (geronimo, TomEE, ...) will > > need > > >> an > > >> > >>>>> Apache compatible Jbatch implementation to go ahread and > > implement > > >> > >>>>> JavaEE 7. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Initial Goals === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> The initial goals of the BatchEE Project are > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> * Fully implement the JSR-352 specification. > > >> > >>>>> * Attracts a community around the current code base. > > >> > >>>>> * Active relationship with the other dependent projects to > > >> further > > >> > >>>>> develop some useful batch components. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == Current Status == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Meritocracy === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Initial developer of the project is familiar with the > > meritocracy > > >> > >>>>> principles of Apache. He knows that the open source gets power > > from > > >> > >>>>> its great developers and freedom. He also developed some other > > open > > >> > >>>>> source projects. We will follow the normal meritocracy rules > > also > > >> > with > > >> > >>>>> other potential contributors. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Community === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> There is a great community within the OpenEJB, OpenWebBeans, > > >> Geronimo > > >> > >>>>> and TomEE Apache projects. BatchEE project is very related > with > > >> these > > >> > >>>>> projects and in the some cases, it enhances these projects. We > > are > > >> > >>>>> thinking that BatchEE project gets strong community because it > > >> > >>>>> complete the needed frameworks of a java developper and > unifies > > the > > >> > >>>>> using of these projects. It simplifies the developer effort > for > > >> > >>>>> building complex enterprise applications batches. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Core Developers === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project has been developing by the IBM then forked by > > >> Romain > > >> > >>>>> Manni-Bucau as a sole contributor. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Alignment === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BacthEE project will be a candidate for use in Geronimo AS and > > >> TomEE > > >> > >>>>> as a default JBatch implementation. Other projects could > benefit > > >> from > > >> > >>>>> the BatchEE project as a general purpose component and context > > >> > >>>>> management. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project is closely aligned with the OpenEJB and > > >> OpenWebBeans > > >> > >>>>> projects perfectly. It depends on these projects to satisfy > its > > >> > >>>>> requirements (mainly tests). > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == Known Risks == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Orphaned products === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Even if the initial committer of the project has no plan to > > leave > > >> the > > >> > >>>>> active development, it must necessary to get other committers > > for > > >> the > > >> > >>>>> project. So that it less dependent on the single developer. > The > > >> > source > > >> > >>>>> code of the project is well documented and new committers > could > > >> > easily > > >> > >>>>> grasp the details. Initial committer continues to support > > actively > > >> > >>>>> this project. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Inexperience with Open Source === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Initial developer have worked on open source project before, > > >> > including > > >> > >>>>> OpenEJB/TomEE, OpenWebBeans, XBean... > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Homogeneous Developers === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Altough the initial committer of the project is single, > > developer > > >> > team > > >> > >>>>> may be increased within the active project lifecycle from the > > >> > >>>>> different locations. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Reliance on Salaried Developers === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Project currently has no salaried developers. All the > > commitment is > > >> > >>>>> done by the volunteer developer. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === Relationships with Other Apache Products === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE will likely be used in the Geronimo and Apache TomEE. > > >> > >>>>> OpenWebBeans could bring added value for tests and integration > > with > > >> > >>>>> CDI. OpenEJB will be great to pass EE tests (JTA is mandatory > > and > > >> CDi > > >> > >>>>> a must have). > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> === An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand === > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> BatchEE project initial committer is the strong supporter of > the > > >> open > > >> > >>>>> source projects. Initial committer of the project thinks that > > ASF > > >> has > > >> > >>>>> great place that provides wider colloboration and support of > the > > >> open > > >> > >>>>> source project and it respects meritrocracy. Also, BatchEE > > project > > >> > >>>>> will surely be embraced by the Geronimo, TomEE, Camel and > other > > >> > Apache > > >> > >>>>> projects. BatchEE project is closely related with the some of > > the > > >> > >>>>> other Apache projects. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == Documentation == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Currently the main documentation of the project is contained > in > > the > > >> > >>>>> README.md in the source repository (see next part). > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == Initial Source == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> The source for BatchEE project that is to be imported is > > currently > > >> > >>>>> within the project at > > https://github.com/**rmannibucau/batchee.git > > >> < > > >> > https://github.com/rmannibucau/batchee.git>and > > >> > >>>>> is all ASL2.0 licensed. It is based on a fork of the JBatch RI > > >> > >>>>> (developped by IBM) which said it was ok to fork the RI: > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> http://apache-incubator-**general.996316.n3.nabble.com/** > > >> > >>>>> Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-**td36529.html< > > >> > > > >> > > > http://apache-incubator-general.996316.n3.nabble.com/Re-DISCUSS-jbatch-impl-Apache-td36529.html > > >> > > > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == External Dependencies == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> All dependencies have Apache compatible licenses. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == Required Resources == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Mailing lists > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> * batchee-dev@incubator.apache.**org< > > >> > batchee-...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >>>>> * batchee-commits@incubator.**apache.org< > > >> > batchee-comm...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >>>>> * batchee-private@incubator.**apache.org< > > >> > batchee-priv...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >>>>> * batchee-user@incubator.apache.**org< > > >> > batchee-u...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Git repository > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/**repos/asf/batchee.git< > > >> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/batchee.git> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Issue Tracking > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> * https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/BATCHEE< > > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BATCHEE> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Other Resources > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> * Wiki > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == Initial Committers == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> || '''Name''' || '''Email''' > > >> > || > > >> > >>>>> '''CLA''' || > > >> > >>>>> || Romain Manni-Bucau || rmannibucau at gmail dot com > > >> > || > > >> > >>>>> yes || > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> == Sponsors == > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> We kindly request the Apache Incubator PMC to be the sponsor > for > > >> this > > >> > >>>>> project. > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Champion > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> * TBD (tbf at apache dot org) > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Nominated Mentors > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> * TBD (tbf at apacge dot org) > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > > >> > >>>>> Twitter: @rmannibucau > > >> > >>>>> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.**com/< > > >> > http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/> > > >> > >>>>> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/**rmannibucau< > > >> > http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> > > >> > >>>>> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > >> > >>>>> --------- > > >> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.** > > apache.org > > >> < > > >> > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > general-help@incubator.apache. > > >> > **org<general-h...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- > > >> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.** > apache.org > > < > > >> > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache. > > **org< > > >> > general-h...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > -- > > >> > > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > >> > > jbono...@apache.org > > >> > > http://blog.nanthrax.net > > >> > > Talend - http://www.talend.com > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- > > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.** > apache.org< > > >> > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache. > > **org< > > >> > general-h...@incubator.apache.org> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >
