-----Original Message----- From: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:24 AM To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
>I firmly believe our priority in mentoring podlings is to instill >self-governance as early as is feasible, and the proven way to accomplish >that task is to identify suitable members of the podling and elect them >to the IPMC so they are fully empowered to do it. Every other approach >is suboptimal. And I fully agree with Joe, it's just that I don't think we that the IPMC is the body to elect them too -- elect them to the incoming podling/probationary TLP's own committee, which contains ASF members (at least 3) to watch them, and make them report out as normal projects do. Cheers, Chris ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >On May 11, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: > >> >> On May 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>wrote: >> >>> Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of >>>MENTORING >>> these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane, but that's just me. >>> We need manpower, and there is plenty of that available amongst the >>>competent >>> volunteers who actively participate in these projects. Let's just do >>> what's easiest for once and promote these folks to the IPMC in order >>> to get the job done right. It's a proven model that we need to stop >>> fighting. >> >> >> Yes, shuttling the kids off the the grandparents is not going to solve >>anything. If individuals on the board have the bandwidth to help they >>should come over here. There's nothing specific about the auspices of >>the board that would improve the situation. >> >> I personally think that we have "almost" enough people to mentor. I >>think that the burnout comes from our constant churning of policy and >>lack of tooling to make mundane tasks easier. >> >> For example, maybe >> better reminders for reports >> automatic nudging of mentors who have not signed reports >> dead pilot buttons to detect inactive mentors (Is it called a dead >>pilot button) >> maybe a standard to podling releases to make vetting easier - i.e. >>apply tooling >> changes/additions to vetting procedures taking place outside of release >>votes. (ok not a tooling issue) >> >> >> Regards, >> Alan >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
