If we ran infra the way this PMC manages its own constituency, we wouldn't have a single volunteer willing to work constructively with us. Sometimes it's better to let go of control and let people work to impress you with the karma you have given them.
>________________________________ > From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> >To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>; Joe >Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:44 PM >Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews > >Totally agree, Joe. > >Cheers, >Chris > >On 1/12/13 9:37 AM, "Joe Schaefer" <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>The thing is, as far as risk management >>goes, the vetting we do on general@incubator >>is largely ceremonial. The real responsible >>review work is done by people who are reviewing >>commit activity, and it is a shame we don't >>do a better job of empowering these conscientious >>reviewers with a binding vote on a release. >> >> >> >> >> >>>________________________________ >>> From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> >>>To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>; Joe >>>Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:30 PM >>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews >>> >>>I agree with you on this Joe. A lot of times my metric is more >>>responsiveness and participation than in legal/language intricacies. More >>>power to folks who are good at that, it's just not me. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Chris >>> >>>On 1/12/13 9:07 AM, "Joe Schaefer" <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>One of my long time pet peeves with how we >>>>PMC members participate in vetting releases >>>>is our penchant for focusing too much on the >>>>policies surrounding license and notice info. >>>>I really think our exclusive focus on things >>>>that really don't pose any organizational risk >>>>to either the org nor the project participants >>>>serves us well in our other, often unexpressed >>>>but far more relevant, goals about encouraging >>>>committers to participate in active review of >>>>their project's commit activity. >>>> >>>>Just think about this for a second, what's more >>>>likely for people to start suing us over, some >>>>bug in the NOTICE file or an undetected backdoor >>>>in one of our programs? I am personally far more >>>>concerned about the current state of the actual >>>>review going on in our podlings than I am about >>>>NOTICE minutia. >>>> >>>>Maybe we should compile some list of which committers >>>>are actually subscribed to their project's commit lists? >>>>It's crude but it may be useful data to look at to >>>>a first order. >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >>> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >
