If no one minds I think it would be a good idea for the docs to be updated with our new common understanding. What I propose is for for a wiki page with the new wording to be created for us to comment/vote on. I'm happy to consolidate the current thinking on this.
Also, I'm too lazy to troll through the list to collect the two new additional mentors for Chukwa, I think that it was Ant and Jukka. Can Ant and Jukka confirm? Regards, Alan On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > The current vote thread for retirement of Chukwa, coupled with some of > the other discussion threads, raises some questions that need to be > resolved. > > How do we make retirement decisions? > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html says: > > "Before following the retirement steps, the remaining developers of > the project should be informed and vote should happen on the projects > dev list. After the vote, the IPMC must vote on the general list to > retire the project. > > In some cases the developers of a project might be opposed to > retirement, while the IPMC is in favour because its members cannot see > a succesfull graduation now or in future. In this case the IPMC > _decides_ about the retirement." > > In general, Apache projects strive to reach decisions by consensus, > using votes to memorialize consensus. > > In the Chukwa case, there seems to have been a consensus some months > ago about how things would proceed. However, I don't think it's > reasonable to view that decision as a self-operating process in which > the community pre-decided exactly how and when the plug would be > pulled. Actually deciding to retire the project, over the objections > of even one of its contributors, is a decision point that the > community has to cope with -- however frustrating this may be for > mentors. > > So, in hindsight, it would have been good to have a [DISCUSS] thread > in which the mentors could present their view, Eric could argue back, > and other people could pose questions of clarification. If people > really want to compare to Wink, someone could do the necessary > slogging to bring forth real comparative data for Wink. > > But let's imagine that we have a DISCUSS thread and a clear lack of > consensus. In essence, that's what the current [VOTE] thread amounts > to. Now what? Do we say, 'well, in the absence of consensus, we must > continue the podling'? Do we say this even in the absence of enough > mentors willing to supervise it? > > I stupidly posted an initial version of this question to private@, and > Ross replied with some very clear thinking on this, which I trust that > he will re-send to this thread. I'll stop here and wait for that. > > --benson > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
