----- Original Message ----- > From: sebb <seb...@gmail.com> > To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator > sometimes just make it look that way? > > On 24 November 2011 15:18, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Coordination problems (getting everyone here on the same page) >> require community documentation and constant pointers to said >> documentation in order to be fully resolved. >> >> Whenever we find ourselves making contradicting statements over >> time, the healthy thing to do is to put together such a document >> on the wiki or on the site that explains what happened and how >> we resolved it. > > Indeed, that is mainly why Ant and I raised questions on board@ about > what a release means, and for clarifications on the Release FAQ.
Personally I am always reluctant to make spur-of-the-moment changes to that doc, as the current prose represents an uneasy compromise worked out over a long period of time. > > Unfortunately, there was no definitive conclusion to the thread, and > no clarifications of the FAQ. > >> >> Simply referring to past emails here is inconclusive at best >> unless they are comments from the chair. > > +1 > >> YMMV >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:14 AM >>> Subject: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the > Incubator sometimes just make it look that way? >>> >>> When the hot air manufacturers start ragging on us, one of the usual >>> tags that they paint is 'rules' and 'bureaucracy'. If > you read >>> general@, you will see a fairly regular occurrence that feeds this >>> perception. >>> >>> Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release > structure. >>> >>> If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order. >>> Why lucky? Because that gives them a clue that perhaps none of them >>> are the right answer. If they are unlucky, they get a one answer, >>> confidently worded. And then they put in hours of work based on that >>> answer. >>> >>> Time passes. A release, or even a graduation vote arrives. Suddenly, >>> some crusty veteran arrives on the scene to tell them that what >>> they've done is wrong, or inadequate, or purple. >>> >>> This is not precisely wonderful from a PR standpoint. >>> >>> What can we do as a PMC to improve this? >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
