On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:02:44 -0400 Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
-1 (non-binding) I've agonised long and hard about this. Wouldn't it be fantastic to see Apache take on such a great trophy project? And of course we'll be best-of-friends with TDF despite perhaps a few vocal individuals? And in the worst case, incubation will show up weaknesses and rifts and the project will be reevaluated, either re-homed or pensioned off for TDF to pick over the bones. But against that, why have we been offered it in the first place? If this had happened before the split then I'd say great, but now it smells of politics. * Noone has explained why they want to donate to us in preference to TDF (the license issue doesn't wash given the history), only vague words about failing to reach agreement. * It feels like we're being handed a fait accomplit: take this project, or the kitty dies. Erm, excuse me? I expect that kind of railroading from someone who's paying for my time and effort, not from someone who expects it for free. Granted it's not easy to explain to the press that "it's not a done deal", but they could at least have made the effort. * Who benefits? - Oracle and IBM have evidently decided it's in their interests. Fine. That's their business, not ours. - The competition? MS has no direct interest. Could go either way for them, as for us. - TDF? They get to cannibalise our work if they so choose. But by the same token, that's work that wasn't contributed to them in the first place. - The smaller companies? I don't hear a unified voice. - The public? More choice for the elite, confusion for the many. Too much kerfuffle in FOSS-land, better stick to MS. - ASF? That's the only one that matters to us, isn't it? * Well, we get a big trophy project, lots of attention. Good press if we make a success of it, bad press if we fail. But that's asymmetric: the good press benefits us little (we don't need it), while the bad could seriously damage the brand. * We also get a new project so big it's sure to rock the boat, bring in a new culture. Once it's in the incubator it has momentum: regardless of what happens, failure to graduate becomes an epic fail for us. * We have a huge community to absorb: we don't know that their values match ours. We do know that a number of them with Apache-like values of *community* and *open development* split off and formed TDF. So perhaps those who *don't* share such values are overrepresented in the non-TDF community? We may be faced with individuals who are absolutely key to OOO yet incompatible with ASF, so we can neither take them on nor exclude them. * It's outside our core competence. This kind of takeover has been damaging for many ambitious corporations. Having said all that, if we do accept it for incubation then I'll be actively doing my best to make it a success. -- Nick Kew Available for work, contract or permanent. http://www.webthing.com/~nick/cv.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org