----- Original Message ---- > From: Craig L Russell <craig.russ...@oracle.com> > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 6:45:54 PM > Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment) > > I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in >incubation, while the subversion community could learn the common Apache >terminology and have no need for translation of the terms. > > Instead, a suggestion to that effect was brutally shot down.
Hm, sounds like sour grapes reappearing. Having the subversion community drop 10 years of common terminology and quickly adopt ours isn't what I consider part and parcel of incubation. As that community continues to proceed through the hallways and corridors of Apache, they will find less friction when they talk about their project to other Apache people using terms that Apache people can readily relate to. They can do that while at the same time supporting local terminology specific to subversion, for as long as they can maintain the two modes of speaking. IOW, this does not require a top-down approach with a strict time-limit. Subversion will pick up our terms naturally and probably phase out their own just for the sake of having simplified their discussions with various folks. We do not need to prod them; they will either see it as being in their own best interests or will deal with the duality. > > And since it's apparently not clear what my point is, I'll repeat it: > > Apache has a common set of terms that everyone who participates is expected > to >understand. They are documented in the foundation "How we work" pages. > > Projects are free to have their own set of rules and terminology. If they >differ much from standard Apache governance, there's an opportunity for them >to >have their own bylaws. > > When communicating with the wider Apache community, the standard terms are > all >that are needed. Parentheticals in such things as board reports, which are >widely disseminated, might seem useful early in the project but are >unnecessary >very quickly. If they serve to clarify for the wider community, ok. But if >parentheticals' only purpose is project communication, I believe that they >are >best avoided, as project members should know the Apache terminology (before >exiting incubation). Fair enough. > > Craig > > On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > > > Didn't you just suggest that Greg summarily drop > > his use of local terminology from his reports, and > > don't you consider the Subversion report a community > > document, and therefore of educational value for the > > wider community, not just the pmc, in some sense? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Craig L Russell <craig.russ...@oracle.com> > >> To: general@incubator.apache.org > >> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:09:19 PM > >> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment) > >> > >> Hi Joe, > >> > >> Please read my messages again. I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > >> > >>> Cmon Craig. Subversion is a 10-year old community. Making major changes > >>> in basic terminology isn't something that happens in a day. > >>> > >> > >> Craig L Russell > >> Architect, Oracle > >> http://db.apache.org/jdo > >> 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com > >> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > Craig L Russell > Architect, Oracle > http://db.apache.org/jdo > 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
