Hi, On Dec 31, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/ Incubation_Policy.html#Setting+Up+a+New+Podlingfalls somewhere between guideance and policy. given that process mistakes have been made (eg. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1341)
This issue points out that even members of the incubator and members of the foundation aren't always clear on what parts of infrastructure are accessible to whom.
IMHO it would be better to create a guide for this part of the process and streamline this section.
+1
a radical patch (below) would strip out all policy. for want of a better name, i've termed this guide 'bootstrap' (creation is already used for another part of the process) but suggestions welcomed.
Only after a guide with this information is ready.
as discussed (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator- general/200712.mbox/% [EMAIL PROTECTED]),though the current policy suggests that the mentors should do most of the work this is probably unnecessary since the IPMC has already approved it. so, i'd like to see this bit of policy removed anyway. the current policy lists mandates required infrastructure tasks (mailing lists, repository). i'm not sure that this is needed at all. if it is then it would be better to simply to ask that all proposed resources are created.
I do think that the new guide should make clear what tasks need to be done (not all of the tasks are listed). And what karma each task needs.
There is a guide http://incubator.apache.org/guides/projects.html that could be used for the purpose. It's (strangely) linked from the left navbar under Podling Guides: Podling Mentor. It would be good if we update this guide to be as complete as the http:// incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html guide.
WDYT? Craig
the other bit is about the project status page. perhaps this does need to be explicitly stated. if so then i think it would be better to create this page as part of the 'creation' part of the process. opinions? - robert Index: site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml ===================================================================--- site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml (revision 607711)+++ site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml (working copy) @@ -288,30 +288,9 @@ <title>Setting Up a New Podling</title> <p>Once a proposal has been <a href='#Acceptance+By +Incubator'>accepted</a>-and the podling <a href='#Creation+of+Podling'>created</a> -a <a href='#Mentor'>Mentor</a> SHOULD initiate the creation of: +and the podling <a href='#Creation+of+Podling'>created</a>, +the <a href='#Mentor'>Mentors</a> SHALL <a href='/guides/bootstrap.html'>bootstrap</a> the podling. </p> - <ul> - <li>the <a href='#Ongoing+Activities'>project status</a> page;</li> - <li>the mailing lists;</li> - <li>the repository space;</li> - </ul> - <p>- Your project's mentors are able to undertake many of the setup- tasks. See notes about how to- <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/reporting- issues.html">requestproject resources</a> - such as new committer accounts and new mailing lists. - (Note that a committer account will not be created- <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/ pmc.html#newcommitter">until the- Contributor License Agreement (CLA) has been recorded.</a>) - </p> - <p>- Your project committers/PPMC members need to become familiar with- the <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/";>ASF Infrastructure information</a> - and in particular the - <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/#pmc";>PMC</a> notes.- Also see the <a href="../guides/pmc.html">Incubator PMC Guide</a>.- </p> </section> <section id="Ongoing+Activities"> <title>Ongoing Activities</title> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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