On 10/23/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote: > Right, but this is a proposal, not a vote. <screeeeech> Break, folks. There is a REALLY basic principal from parliamentary procedure that exists for a very good reason, to avoid long pointless debate without decisions...
This isn't parliament, it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] The principal is this; there is NO discussion without a motion on the
floor, period. Ever.
So you're saying that we should treat every thread on this list as if it had an implicit "[VOTE]" in the subject line? Even the ones that have [discussion] or [doc] or [jira] in the subject? Why? Because discussion that isn't about the business in front of the
body is just blowing wind. It forces the member to stop and define exactly what they want to accomplish, and propose it. Then the body deliberates, and reshapes the motion, and it comes out as something that the majority can agree to, or it's shot down entirely.
I suspect everyone on this list has been annoyed by some [VOTE] thread or another straying from a vote into a lengthy discussion. We get annoyed because every thread is *not* a vote, and we like to separate votes from discussion. If you're saying that we can't have a discussion without that also implicitly being a vote, how is this supposed to work? I hope I'm just missing something obvious, or misunderstanding you completely. -- Martin Cooper Getting back to geeks, we all love the axiom "Don't ask to ask, just ask"
about irc and mailing list dev channels. It's the same concept. So please, put your proposal on the floor. It's subject to an immediate vote to adopt for incubation. Put your request for committers / releases / graduation on the floor. Let's get them fixed or get them done. You may get +1 votes (you may get enough of them). You may get -1 votes, requiring you to amend your retract your motion, or see it through to the bitter end of voting. And you will probably get no-vote feedback that you can amend your motion in response to, or ignore altogether. It's up to you, you made the motion. Most of this traffic in the past few weeks has been (in parliamentary terms) "out of order". Let's get back to work. Nike and Royal Bank of Scotland have ad campaigns that say essentially this, "Just Do It" or "Make It Happen" :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
