On Oct 8, 2006, at 9:55 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

On 10/8/06, Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

However, in that case I would really like to see it that
if committers from other ASF projects read the proposal
and have a sincere interest in helping, that they be
included in the initial list, since I think it helps
bootstrap the community process right off the bat.


Noel and I were chatting about this last night, and my position is that I'm okay with 'piling on' by ASF folks *if* the podling community is happy with that. If the podling folks do not want them on the initial list and desire that they earn their commit bits through actual participation, I'm okay with
that too.


Of course.

Noel's said that being the arbitrator of who is on the list should be the role of the Champion and I think that's probably as good as we're going to get. But, by the time the Incubator PMC votes on a proposal, that list must
be set (i.e. no deletions after the vote concludes).  -- justin

The role of the Champion alone? Certainly the proposal is an
organic document that the entire podling-to-be is involved
with, so whereas the Champion has a role to play, I
don't think it's their responsibility to believe that
they know better than the community. How many champions
are truly so deeply involved in the soon-to-be-transplanted
community that they can make such decisions?

Of course, yes, the Champion does have the responsibility
to handle "piling on" cases... But if they need to do
it with a hammer, then the proposal's in bad shape
anyway.

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