On 10/09/2006, at 12:48 PM, Otis Gospodnetic wrote:
Hi Ian,
A few thoughts and questions...
If this is a proposal for an open-source FeedBurner (I think
somebody said that earlier), I'm for it - FeedBurner is ripe for
some competition. :)
kind of.. it will have a similar feature set, but aimed at people who
like to have control of their own information on their own machines.
I get the ping/poll thing, caching functionality is clear, but I
don't get what you mean by "personalized URL", "source feed would
then be adjusted", and "all external links would be personalized".
I'm imagining some RSS/Atom feed with various items, absolute URLs
to external sites/pages, the usual stuff, and I don't know where
the personalized/adjusted bits fit in. Could you please explain
and give some examples?
sure.
most large sites use anonymous session cookies to track things like
page views/session, if the user is a return visitor, and clickpaths etc.
The problem/pain is happening when you download a RSS feed into your
RSS reader that tracking information isn't transferred, and some
readers refuse permanent cookies, making it hard to determine (for
the publisher):
- if you are a first time visitor,
- if you read the website and the RSS feed or just the RSS feed,
- what you are reading in your RSS viewer (as opposed to clicking
through to the web page)
- how many RSS feeds you are viewing from the publishing site
personalized url's help a bit here. the idea is to have the
publishing site not offer a 'simple' feed, but to offer a unique one
which point's to our feed server.
eg.
on the page advertising the feed (eg http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/help/
rss/5262758.stm ) instead of displaying
http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/northern_ireland/
rss.xml
it would display
http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_uk_edition/northern_ireland/
rss/<anonymousid>/
so when people clicked on the link, they would subscribe to a unique
URL.
when the RSS/atom feed is fetched by the RSS reader the software
would know the anonymous ID of the user, tying the users web
browser to the RSS feed.
The next bit would be the actual XML returned. the links it would
provide the RSS reader would also have the anonymous ID embedded in
the links and other spots, so that when a user clicks on something it
would be able to associate the anonymous session id with the incoming
request.
There would have to be some UserAgent magic involved so that
aggregators like bloglines and planets wouldn't be counted.
I think you were the Lucene GData Server (Summer of Code project)
mentor to Simon, and Simon is planning on continuing his work on
that project within Lucene even after the summer. Would that
project and the one you are proposing not have a lot in common,
both in terms of code/logic, as well as the context (serving
feeds)? If so, would it make more sense to implement this in Java?
I don't think it would have that much in common with GData. but I'll
take a look again
regards
Ian
Otis
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From: Ian Holsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2006 5:20:09 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Fluoride
just doing a ping on this.
is anyone interested in participating? or giving a '+1' to it?
regards
Ian
On 24/08/2006, at 8:10 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 05:51:33PM -0400, Yoav Shapira wrote:
Do proposed projects by current ASF members need official mentors
and
champions who are different than the proposer?
Good question. This is the first time we have one like this :)
What Noel and others have said in the past is "essentially you need
3 +1s
from ASF members" (and sometimes "incubator PMC members" instead, I
guess
what matters is somehow "minimum bindingness"). Which I sorta agree
with.
That said, I wouldn't suggest starting on something without having
a real
good feeling about having enough people to commit time to something.
I'd be interested in participating in this, but I can't commit much
bandwidth, so I'll probably just lurk on the mailing lists if/when
they're created.
Same here. I'm a very enthousiastic +0 just on the basis that its
not java
;-P
LSD
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