On 15 Aug 06, at 12:27 PM 15 Aug 06, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:



Jan Blok wrote:
Hi,

What could be the problem of any real-time communication medium usage
between some community members as long as every one agrees code and
design decisions are made on the mailing list?

Because the reality is that decisions are made on IRC, implicitly. It's hard to engage in an argument that already happened, especially when the
discussion was very conversational rather than formal :

A: what do you think?
B: Well, like you said before...
A : about the contstructor
B : no, the other thing
A : related to using =?
B : right that it..  it would be better if that was done as Jim
suggested....

versus the more formal statements people make in email

"I'm beginning to agree that ensuring that re-serializing the Properties preserves the original delimiter ("=" in Jim's example) that was used in
the original file."


That's a sweeping generalization which in many cases is not true.

Email can be just as unclear and people going "Sorry, I don't understand what you just said" happens often. In IRC where you can iterate to the point of understanding and pastebin examples to get your point across works very well.

I don't think the argument can be made that one form of communication has a better rate of conveyance. I would say IRC does, you would say email does. I think the argument here is one of persons/groups being excluded or not which is matter of project members' attitudes about inclusion.

Jason.

geir



Regards Jan Blok



Jim Jagielski wrote:

I think one way of looking at this is simply remembering that
the ASF values community over code. Yes, IRC and other
real-time communication methods means "quicker" code
development, etc, but it places, IMO, an undue barrier
to the development of the community.

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