I'd like to point out that Apache does have tolerance for "brand names" coming in from the outside, in particular "J-word projects" from Sun.

Java(TM) Data Objects a.k.a. JDO is an official Apache project [1].

JDO is not trademarked but the name is well-known in its space. The Apache JDO project includes the official API for both JSR-12 and JSR-243; and the official TCK for both JSRs.

Sun donated JDO to Apache for continued development, and Apache JDO released the API and TCK according to the official JCP rules, under the Apache license.

There is room for development of a JDO implementation as an Apache project, but it seems more likely that other Apache projects will provide a JDO implementation outside of the Apache JDO project. (e.g. OpenJPA or Cayenne might well provide a JDO-compliant interface, just as they might offer a JPA-compliant interface).

There is precedent for Apache adopting Jini as a project, regardless of whether you are talking about "just an implementation" or "the official Jini".

Craig

[1] http://db.apache.org/jdo

On Aug 7, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jim Hurley wrote:

On Aug 7, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
So whatever happened to the Jini proposal?? I just remembered that there
was a lot of discussion but don't recall the conclusion.

Sorry - we hit a snag around the name, and have been working to
try and get untangled.

There seemed to be two discussion points around the "Jini" name on
our Proposal:  1) trademark concerns, 2) potential confusion on
the Jini project at Apache and other Jini Community related web
places (Jini.org, jini.dev.java.net).

Part of our delay in re-engaging on this list was to get a better
understanding of the options around the Jini trademark (that Sun
currently owns). It seems there are two viable choices: contribute
the trademark to Apache (along with the code), or 'abandon' the
trademark registration. We would prefer to contribute it, but I'd
like some discussion on this list on whether that's a viable
option.

As for potential confusion with other "Jini areas" (Jini.org,
jini.dev.java.net) -- that's a reasonable point, but we believe
we can put context on those other sites so it's clear how they
fit into the overall Jini Community picture and core infrastructure
being built in the Apache Jini project.

We did start considering alternative names, but there's a strong
reluctance to changing names. That's primarily because of the name
recognition we've built up around the technology and Community
during the past number of years, as well as the difficulty (ref
the many posts on this list in the last month on choosing names)
with picking a new name.

Assuming this reasoning makes sense... we'd like to proceed with
"Jini" as the name of the Proposal and get some discussion going
to better understand if we can contribute the TM and if it would
be okay for those other Jini -related site (Jini.org, jini.dev.java.net)
to continue to use the Jini name.

thanks -Jim


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