On 7/18/06, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jul 18, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> Mladen Turk wrote: >>> since some members thinks that insulting our fellows >>> is actually a great joke, and something one should >>> be proud off, I'm fine. > >> Well, let me just say that once a project is within >> the incubator, and someone is on the PPMC, things >> become very different. > > William Rowe's response to him fairly well summed up the issue(s). > I have > relatively little concern regarding castigating projects for > failings, even > if the criticism could be expressed more constructively than > acerbically. > BUT we do not accept personal attacks, and will not tolerate them on > someone's blog anymore than on a mailing list. To get very specific, I understand that posting insults on Apache mailing lists is forbidden.
i'm not sure that forbidden is quite the right word: perhaps something more like socially unacceptable and extremely counter-productive would be closer to the truth. the right atmosphere on list is really important but it's often proved easier to achieve this by setting a good example than by being drawn into threats. But are you also saying that we expect him to:
no longer post insults regarding any topic on bileblog, or no longer post insults regarding any Apache project on bileblog, or
no longer post insults regarding any Apache committer on bileblog, or
something else? In other words, what limitations on his freedom of speech are we requiring?
i'm not sure that there is enough consensus to use the collective. there seems very much a plurality of opinions. personally speaking, i'm happy to judge him by his posts on list. now hani's becoming a somewhat important and certainly famous figure in the java ecosystem i hope that he'd start to realize that some people are hurt by his offensive posts and lay off the personal stuff with those folks who don't appreciate his humour. - robert
