On 6/2/06, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

(this is a rant and the beginnings of a proposal which has nothing to do
in particular with James, ActiveMQ, or its release)


<snip>

There must be. All these little rules and policies and practices (written
or unwritten) seem like they could be somehow codified. Lets do so.


codification is on my ApacheCon TODO list

Let's write a piece of software to do the auditing for us. Let's write it
in java as a commandline tool spitting out a choice of text-based or
XML-based reports. Let's wrap the tool in an ant task, and in a maven2
plugin. People and projects can start using the tool without us changing
any of the process, and once it works well enough these kinds of
"permission
emails" will all become the pure formalities they should be ("please
approve
that you trust that I used the tool correctly and that the tool can also
be
trusted, btw here is the output"), and we can even start thinking about
changing this @#$^&% process!

Questions:

  * anyone think it can't work? Anyone think its a good idea?


IMO there are two distinct and separate issues here:

1 the major issue we have with release distribution oversight not scaling as
the ASF scales. it's not just podlings that we need to worry about - it's
every project. i agree that this needs an automated solution. i've been
wondering about using SVN as a staging ground and with clever pre and post
commit scripts. probably need to move this to infrastructure or wait till
ApacheCon...

2 the social aspect (pmc ping) - i think that jim's covered this reasonably
well.


  * where's the sandbox where we can work on this thing together?
    (I'm quite willing to mentor a new incubation podling :-))
  * who is willing to spend a day of their ApacheCon EU hackathon working
on
    this?


i'll be around and planned to work on incubator related codification and
documentation.

- robert

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