On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Martin Marinschek wrote:
We could of course also set-up quality standards which have to be
fullfilled before the project _leaves_ incubation. That's a good bar
to set...
As the name "MyFaces" has been mentioned quite a bit, I'll explain our
situation. We currently use the prototype framework (one of the widely
used projects in the market, which Martin Cooper by the way doesn't
like either, due to namespacing issues). So, if Zimbra has the same
problems, we don't really have a need for the library.
Whether I like Prototype or not isn't really the point. The point is that
I *care* about the quality of what we build here at the ASF. Prototype
can very easily cause problems when combined with other JavaScript code,
and this situation is even worse in a portlet environment, so I simply
want to make sure that the MyFaces team isn't setting itself up for
problems by relying on it.
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Martin Cooper
We are hoping for a major donation regarding javascript with ADF Faces
- haven't had any chance to look on the sourcecode so far, though.
Maybe this will settle all our javascript needs and we'll stop looking
out for anything else.
regards,
Martin
On 1/5/06, Dirk-Willem van Gulik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Martin Cooper wrote:
On 1/4/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So .. amidst all of our soul searching .. what'd we decide to do with
the Ajax proposal from IBM et al.?? Did I miss the vote and decision??
..
Personally, I would prefer that the ASF not accept _any_ AJAX framework at
this point in time. The area is relatively new and in a great deal of flux
right now, and "crowning" one of them with the ASF brand will create a de
facto standard instead of letting the market decide, whether we like it or
We are part of that market - and I have no illusions about our ability to
set standards; we canot; we ONLY seem to do so when we happen to a) to
jump on the boat with the right technology and b) get the market to play
in our playground. (Marginally helped of course by the fact that so many
talented peopel and companies come to play here that we do set the odd's
for 'a' and have 'b' causal).
If your argument is that the quality of Zimbra code is relatively low; or
too immature by itself - and that is why you worry about spoiling the
market by betting on the wrong horse - then we should simply reject -this-
proposal based on the fact that there is a) not enough quality in the
donation and b) no hope for it to improve in our playground.
But in general - having the ASF offer it's eco system a place where we all
can work on Ajax (and have synergy with all the portal code we have, with
MyFaces^H^H^H^H^H^HOurFaces) seems like the right thing to do -when- there
are sufficient people interested to work on it. Which is the right
validating feedback loop.
Dw.
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