On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:13 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 04:19:21PM -0800, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Give me a break.
No. The incubator PMC has "given breaks" before and it let to
undesired
side effects so now we're not going to do that anymore.
I'm not trying to hide anything.
In general, when discussing policy or a general case, it is a good
idea to
not use a personal form of communication, because policy has
nothing to do
with specific individuals.
Nevertheless, noted.
You have a goal
to make sure that no one is confused about the status of an
incubating project, and you have a proposal that you believe works
for mailing lists. I am suggesting alternate proposal.
"You", "I", "me". *We* have a goal. *You* needs to be a part of
*we*, in
general there is no "I" involved. This is "us vs a problem", not
"you vs
me". Don't confuse the two.
If you don't like my proposal, simply state that
I read mads his email as exactly that. I even saw two arguments (one
its clean and simple, two its less cumbersome if we decide halfway
through incubation that a project is a better fit elsewhere).
, but please don't
imply that offering an alternate proposal is anything else.
C'mon, dude! Do you want to bicker about what some words from
someone in some
email thread might have "implied" or do you want to help tackle the
issue at
hand?
+100000 I couldn't agree with you more. It is really annoying when
someone chooses to "bicker about what some words from someone in some
email thread might have "implied"".
Offering an alternate proposal as part of a vote thread after the
discussion
has taken place already where one did not participate *is*
"anything else" by
the way. What I didn't like is the very fact that someone out-of-
the-blue proposes
an alternate, since that derails the vote thread, takes time and
energy of
everyone, and is just counter-productive in the end. You may notice
that both Cliff
and I have some reservations but we're not getting in the way of
making progress.
My proposal is not "out-of-the-blue". I brought this up a few days
ago in the "@domain for Incubator mailing lists" thread to which
there was one completely useless response from Geir "To what end?"
and one from Noel where he agreed that the use of a notification
footer was a good idea, but "having all resources under the incubator
domain was the original requirement and desire of the Incubator PMC,
relaxed only because of technical issues that no longer apply". That
was it and then it became a vote thread, so I added my comments to
the vote thread. It appears that others would like to discuss this
more.
If you have specific, issues with my proposal, that will be
welcome also.
Mads listed two. Of those I find the "simpler" qualifier extremely
important,
since in general this stuff is not, and that's what leads to
confusion,
frustration, etc.
It always helps a discussion to simply use word like "simpler" and
phrases like "leads to confusion" without a reason why that is true ;)
Anyway, I suggest you accept there is no "break" to be had, you
weren't around
when the relevant discussions took place, and hence shouldn't re-
start one now.
I wasn't aware that new community members weren't welcome in
discussions that took place once a long time ago. In that case, can
you please place a warning on such email threads, since it isn't
possible since all new users will by definition not be aware of such
discussions, and we will kindly keep out of these discussions ;)
-dain
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