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Leo Simons writes: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:45:04PM -0700, Justin Mason wrote: > > > Indeed. I have a hunch that "re-inventing the collaboration wheel" is a > > > significant part of "the apache way". An organisational structure that > > > is completely patching itself at every level has a lot of appeal. > > > > Hmm. Why does constant change have a lot of appeal? > > Not quite what I meant. I meant that it is good to have people thinking about > how they want to run their own project and it is good to give them some > leeway. And incorporating change as part of our processes is better than > setting things in stone. > > Messiness and confusion seem to be a consequence. Those don't have much appeal > at all :-) > > > We in SpamAssassin certainly found it confusing, for a while -- we assumed > > that there was some central thought about this, then realised that no, > > every project/subproject does it differently. > > Indeed. Incubating a project at apache is hard, innit? > > The SpamAssassin proved very capable of dealing with all the weirdness and > confusion and inconsistencies. I have the idea (not very founded on solid > research) spamassassin is doing well without requiring much "active > oversight" from other parties. I think that partly that may be because the > project was allowed to "carve out" its own space in the apache landscape, > perhaps taking its turn at defining some bits of what that landscape actually > is. Well, part of it is that we already had a very Apache-ish model in place, even before we started incubating. Not sure why that was ;) > > It would be nice to have an "overview" doc on a wiki somewhere, describing > > different projects' approaches, to make this clear. It would be > > especially useful for incoming incubator projects, because in our > > experience it was a major stumbling block. > > Aye. David has put in lots of work along these lines along with a handful of > other people. The "handful" is why there isn't better documentation. > > I had hoped that the Incubator would be self-sustaining (in that people who > were brought in through new projects would stick around and be helping out > with incubation and other foundation-wide tasks). While there are some > obvious exceptions, it seems they really are exceptions to the rule. Well, to provide one person's POV on this -- in my experience, even after incubating SpamAssassin, I'm *still* learning about ASF processes and society. I wouldn't feel comfortable yet to attempt to teach others about "the Apache way". - --j. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh CVS iD8DBQFDKRxeMJF5cimLx9ARAscGAJ9KTKywyhxh+VjIGQ846sQdH6NNRwCgvGeO 0sBbjAn62Z1lOheD1z8AJlA= =jGij -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
