I should have been more explicit. "ONLY one press release that i was involved in...that was"
-- dims On 9/1/05, Cliff Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (renaming the subject to try to keep the past flames and future > discussions somewhat separate) > > On 9/1/05, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There was ONLY one press release...that was vetted by the [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please > > complain to the folks there. > > Actually, there were at least two that I know of: > > IONA: http://www.iona.com/pressroom/2005/20050822b.htm > Sonic: > http://www.sonicsoftware.com/news_events/pressitem/pressrelease_648412/index.ssp? > > I was the PRC member who gave feedback to IONA, which they > incorporated. Any complaints about that one should be directed at me. > Giving it another look now, I think I should have suggested that one > of the sentences be reworded to not indicate that IONA is joining the > project, but that IONA is sponsoring employees who are joining the > project. > > Cliff > > > > There was one document (unsolicited) from Gartner. I've already > > personally sent a response with help from Justin and others (Thanks > > justin). > > > > So there is nothing left for to do for me other than keep hearing > > choice words, so i'll just stop and listen. Pile it on :( > > > > If there is something else i did not do, that i have control on, let me > > know. > > > > -- dims > > > > On 9/1/05, Roy T. Fielding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't see what this has to do with Synapse, but whatever ... > > > > > > > IF we even seem to appear to sneak something by AM sure we will get an > > > > earful BUT in this case we courted IONA and got their support and > > > > showed that we can build diversity that spans OW and Apache. For this > > > > what do we get, brick bats again. > > > > > > No, actually, nobody has complained about IONA. People are complaining > > > that the mentors are doing a crappy job of controlling the other > > > commercial organizations who seek to spin Synapse into something that > > > makes other companies look good. > > > > > > > Look we have no code, some code from Infravio is using Axis 1.X and > > > > the porposal makes it clear that it is only for "consultation" and not > > > > a seeding codebase. So we are practically starting from scratch. No > > > > one even understands that. > > > > > > Then you shouldn't have any seed code and you should just create > > > a directory and start working. You created this mess yourselves > > > by turning it into a Web Services marketing event. > > > > > > > Am getting demoralized now because of all this brouhaha over nothing. > > > > Guess, we don't really mean to be open. Suddenly even building > > > > businesses around Open Source seems to be a bad idea given the > > > > reactions for just one DAMN PROPOSAL. I guess given all the acrimony > > > > we should stop introducing any projects in Apache. Let's just rot and > > > > die. > > > > > > Look, I am going to explain this as roughly as possible. Apache > > > exists now, today, because people like ME and Randy and Jim and > > > Brian (and now Greg and Justin and Sam and ...) have forcibly > > > prevented various companies from abusing their participation in > > > OUR projects through factually incorrect press releases. It is > > > YOUR responsibility to do that with projects that YOU agree to > > > mentor, even if it means publicly humiliating the idiots in PR > > > when they make mistakes. > > > > > > This will be a far harder task in the Web Services area (filled > > > with companies who exist solely on the basis of press releases and > > > nothing else) than it was for the original Web projects. You are > > > swimming in a sewer of bad companies trying to do good. It should > > > not be surprising that we need to hose the project down before it > > > can join Apache. We need to do that to protect both Apache and > > > the new project. It only takes ONE bad project to undue all of > > > the gains we have made within the ASF. It is the fact that we > > > take such care with new projects that differentiates Apache from > > > other sites that merely host code. > > > > > > ....Roy > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/ - Oxygenating The Web Service Platform > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/ - Oxygenating The Web Service Platform --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
