On May 28, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Eddie ONeil wrote:
Putting [EMAIL PROTECTED] back on the thread.
Noel, Geir, or Craig, can you confirm for everyone that we must pass
the JSR 181 TCK before calling a release 1.0-final?
Only if claiming compliance w/ JSR-181. JSR-181 is still working
towards final release, IIRC, so given the timings of things, and if
you don't want to wait, maybe call that a feature of 1.1?
geir
Thanks.
Eddie
On 5/27/05, Jeremiah Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Note that I narrowed the scope of my opinions to beehive-dev, so if
Craig, Noel, etc. are watching from general@incubator.apache.org,
they
may not have seen your comments, Eddie.
- jeremiah
-----Original Message-----
From: Eddie O'Neil
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:42 PM
To: Beehive Developers
Subject: Re: [vote] beehive v1 milestone 1 release
One other thing -- if someone (Craig, Noel, Geir, etc) can
explain
otherwise (that we can go -final without having passed the TCK)
definitely let us know.
The sooner we do such a release, the better!
Eddie
Eddie O'Neil wrote:
Jeremiah--
It is my understanding after having talked to Craig and others
who
have been involved in the process of implementing a JSR before that
we
*can't* do a release of a JSR implementation until the spec is
final.
At this point, JSR 181 is not final, and as such, we can't say
we're a
final implementation of it.
The process of getting the TCK to pass the Beehive WSM
implementation
is something that we're starting through the appropriate Apache
channels.
As far as judging WSM, my understanding is that should be done
against
the TCK, which means that we need to wait for it to be public
before
we
can pass it.
:)
Eddie
Jeremiah Johnson wrote:
I am not a committer, so I can't vote. I do have an opinion
that I
would like to express about the release.
In the 'beehive release status' email from May 19, it said that
"we're
not able to go for a 'Final' release as the JSR 181 TCK is not yet
public". It is unclear when the TCK will be public, so I disagree
with
the logic of waiting for a final release. It is unclear (to
me) if
the
TCK will even be for the version of JSR 181 that WSM has been
implemented against. There is a version of the JSR 181 that has
been
voted final and Beehive WSM has been coded according to the
current
status of JSR 181.
In looking at the JSR 181 status, I see that Sun has been 'assured
by
the spec lead that both [of their concerns] will be address
quickly'.
At least one of those concerns (full alignment with JAX-RPC 2.0)
will
probably result in changes to JSR 181 and the TCK. If the TCK
isn't
available now, then it seems logical to me that the Sun changes
will be
incorporated into the TCK before the TCK becomes public. (Note
that
even though I work at BEA - I have no connection to the JSR 181
spec
and
no idea what the status of the TCK is). The cycles that seem
possible
to me could just continue to push 1.0 Final.
It seems sensible to me to be voting on going 1.0 and then when
the
TCK
is public and if Beehive can get it, then any incompatibilities
should
be recorded as bugs. I say 'if Beehive can get it' because it
seems
that OSS projects in the past have had trouble getting TCKs and I
don't
know if that will be the case with the JSR 181 TCK or not.
WSM should be judged as best as possible against JSR 181 without
the
TCK. If WSM is judged to be in line with JSR 181, then go 1.0; if
not,
then fix it. I think that Beehive should be used as a 1.0
release.
Those are my opinions. Kill me now.
- jeremiah
-----Original Message-----
From: Eddie O'Neil
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:02 PM
To: Beehive Developers; general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [vote] beehive v1 milestone 1 release
All--
The blocking bugs have been dealt with and we've been adding
documentation and samples furiously over the last couple of
weeks.
At this point, I'd like to propose that we release a Beehive
1.0
milestone 1. The code is ready to go -- though I believe that a
few
committers have some outstanding documentation and samples still
to be
completed.
So, I suggest that we kick the tires of the branch at SVN
change
178556 in beehive/branches/v1/m1 (being created now) and let a
few
more
doc / sample related checkins trickle in over the next couple of
days.
If anyone has concerns about this, please feel free to say so...
Tomorrow (Thursday), nightlies will be cut from this branch so
that
a
binary distribution is also available for download.
Given the coming long weekend in the US, this vote will
close at
20:00 (8:00PM) GMT on Tuesday, 05/31/2005. Should be plenty of
time
to
take the release out to play. :)
I'll start this off with my +1.
Eddie
=====
Vote:
[+1] Yes, the release is ready to go from beehive/branches/v1/m1.
[0] Abstain / not sure.
[-1] No, the release is not ready yet. If you vote this way,
please
provide an explanation why and add what could be done to address
your
concerns.
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