-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ted Leung wrote: > > -1 > > I am surprised that people think the committer diversity issues are not > an issue for graduation.
If Derby's destination was to be a TLP, I would agree completely, and not even have started this. As it is, however, it's headed to join an existing TLP -- the DB project. If a podling is destined the become a TLP, it obviously needs to demonstrate conformance and viability across all aspects. If it's going to become part of an existing TLP, however, I think the emphasis is (or should be) much more on making sure the contribution is safe (IP issues) and that the people will fit into the Apache milieu. Growing the committer list is something I think is reasonable to pass over to the parent TLP, at least once the podling has shown that it's willing to acquire diversity. The TLP will be providing some diversity of its own, since it has a PMC of which the podling's PPMC will only be a part, and the TLP will provide continuance of the oversight begun in the incubator. I *don't* think it's the job of the incubator to duplicate work the TLPs can and do handle themselves. The incubator's unique added-value is vetting the contribution and educating the community coming to Apache as a blob rather than as individuals. If a TLP starts up its own new package, does any of it have to go through the incubator? No, because the code will be starting with the right IP and the committers are already part of the Apache environment. The incubator's task is to make sure that something coming in from outside can mesh as well as something started from inside. An internally-started package can fail due to lack of diversity (among other things) just as much as one coming from outside. At least one person from the DB PMC has voted in favour of graduation, which I hope means that the project understands the issues of assuming oversight and feels comfortable doing so. Having more people from the DB PMC/project weigh in on the vote would be nice. :-) I'm in favour of graduation because I don't think there's anything more the incubator can do for Derby aside from erecting obstacles for the package and a group of people who have already demonstrated that they mesh well with our methodology. However, I think I'm too close to the issue, which is why I'm not voting. At least not yet. - -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBQlAFnJrNPMCpn3XdAQFuCAP/at0nKxCTslUa3OyNlzdz7fYEQNpLHl1g 2372J+LaNxgrSzHxWbvXytekxeE3G98oT2ympTa9thk7kVAtrqlKxD1Ozb3aolnh Witb1zwp4g/IJZNMV1H6nEdZ54Buoojw4V80NZ0XHbWla8popV/ieXrl1NhzXCJb iN/oVEnGvrU= =bMaV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
