As that one committer I am also comfortable discussing this.
The user community is growing continuously and is very diverse. The developer community, while not as diverse as we would like, has demonstrated that it is following its charter (found at http://incubator.apache.org/derby/ ), is operating independently of the main employer, and is following Apache guidelines and method.
The committers have already committed (sorry) to growing the developer base and have discussed approaches that will encourage that. I would be willing to commit to the I-PMC and/or DB-PMC that we will continue that process after leaving the incubator.
I would also point out that the number of database-internals wonks with the time or even the contractual ability to work on an open source database project is limited; for example, anyone with hard-core SQL query optimization experience is probably employed by a vendor somewhere.
To overcome this, we are reexamining the roadmap so that there is less focus on database internals and more on integration and management. How this plays out will depend on the user community and what they want to see implemented, and the diversity there can only help. There are several people actively contributing already and I expect to see more as time goes on.
I do not think that the Derby community is ready at this time to become a TLP. However, I do believe we should discuss leaving the incubator heading for the DB project.
-- Jeremy
Brian McCallister wrote:
DB PMC Hat On: I'm quite comfortable discussing this.
One committer has been added while in incubation, and there are a couple more people under consideration. The user and developer community has grown, even if the committer distribution is worrisome. Very much worth talking about, though!
-Brian
On Mar 15, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Considering the recent discussion about diverse communities and such, this may appear ill-timed. However..
I'd like to open the discussion about Derby graduating from the incubator. The project has accomplished all of its stated goals save for the acquisition of several additional committers. I attest that the project is being operated according to the Apache guidelines and method, and that the community has adopted them and taken them to heart.
Since Derby isn't heading for a TLP position (unless someone wants to open that particular ball for some reason), I think they've demonstrated the viability and sustainability. I would support its graduation IFF the DB project took on, as a specific priority, building the developer base. (I.e., taking an active role in the project and not just accepting Derby and letting it continue as it has.)
Does anyone think this discussion is premature? -- #ken P-)}
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