I think the short-term (and maybe even long-term) resolution to the copyright notice issue may be having the ASF copyright notice in each main file clearly apply to the whole project. This could read, for example: "Apache Derby is (c) Copyright The Apache Software Foundation 2004. All rights reserved. " Then there's no implication of copyright ownership of individual components. The third-party copyright attributions can be included in the NOTICE file. As Roy notes, if any contributor has included copyright attributions in a main file, and you don't want to retain those notices in that location for policy reasons, then ASF needs to ask the contributor/copyright owner to either remove them or authorize ASF to do so on their behalf.
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