Noel J. Bergman wrote:

java.apache.org history shows a long history of failures in incubating
projects without code. jakarta doesn't, exactly because we established
that rule.





It would be a *major* step back if we lifted that requirement.



We wouldn't be lifting it because we haven't had that requirement. In the case of Geronimo, we pretty much forced Geronimo to code from scratch, based on their expertise. That said, it would be extremely rare to incubate a new community without seed code. I don't know of another such. But we do have a quite successful precedent for making an exception.

Again, I think it goes back to community.  We've rejected code without a
community, but I don't think I'd reject a community that lacked code, if
we had ASF Members who wanted to sponsor it.

--- Noel


There's still an outstanding question from the original message in this thread, though ... would we reject an entry into incubation if there *was* code, but we couldn't look at it unless the incubation was accepted? I believe we would always want to require code review in such a circumstance. Whether or not we'd be willing to do such a code review privately (under some form of NDA) is a separate question.

Craig McClanahan


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