Leo Simons wrote: > Noel, have your concerns been addressed? I think so. They've been addressed in that they've been discussed. Steven has been watching Lenya closely, particularly recently, and seems convinced that there has been a sea change in that community. Whether or not it sticks remains to be seen.
> Feel like changing your mind? What makes you think I had made it up before? :-) I was asking questions because I wanted both answers and discussion of the issues. From the discussion, I feel most of the participants grasp the issues and concerns. I'm not going to agree that Lenya should release early and often, but if they want to put out a clearly marked incubation build as a "technology preview", and since they are finally going through the right procedure, I think we can accommodate that request. Mind you, building an end-user community is not an incubation priority. We care about IP and development community, and the latter ought to be able to participate directly from source control. Specifically, a comment like "it is important to get out official (incubation) release files soon since users and developers are waiting for a release to base their productive environments on" makes me nervous. We don't want people assuming that code in the Incubator has the same imprimatur as code from ASF projects. I try to avoid the term "release" in connection with anything related to the Incubator because in Jakarta terminology, a "Release Build" is an official production package, and that is not going to come from the Incubator. The focus ought to be on being able to leave the incubator, not putting out builds. But insofar as having feedback helps to build the developer community, that's worth supporting, IMO, so long as the nature of being in the Incubator is properly marked and explained. I was just looking over http://cvs.apache.org/~roku/incubator/lenya/. Seems to be about right. Rolf should see http://cvs.apache.org/dist/incubator/geronimo/, which is a peer of where Lenya will probably go. Putting it under cvs.apache.org/dist conveys less of an official nature than putting it www.apache.org/dist, and we don't need to put it out on the mirroring system unless we're expecting many 100s of downloads. --- Noel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
