On 9/22/2003 5:39 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:+1
1) how do people get on the incubation PMC? any committer? only members? members and officials? everybody committer that previously has a record of helping incubation? just curious of what feelings are.
another good question. i agree with roy that anyone with an official role vis-a-vis a current podling should be on the pmc.
+1. I don't think that we need have multiple people fufill all these roles. If the sponsor/shepherd/mentor is going to be a member of the incubator PMC (see 1 above), then they ought to be trusted to follow the incubator guidlines (once they exist). Do we really need this much check and balance?3) shouldn't the sponsor PMC provide periodical updates on the status to the incubator?
let's make sure we're agreed on terminology here. so far, the terms 'sponsor', 'shepherd', and 'mentor' have been conflated. my view is that the latter two are the same and refer to a single individual, and that a sponsor is either that same person or the asf project that has said 'the podling has a home here when it's done.'
+1 to all of this.i am very much *not* in favour of a *pmc* fulfilling any other role than that. the most significant drawback is the apathy effect and lack of clear delineation of responsibility. 'someone else' will handle doing whatever needs to be done. no, thank you.
my view is that a podling will have a single individual from the asf who has committed to bringing it through incubation. this person is the one who nags the podling about filling out clas, doing the licence and copyright thing and such, and advises the podling community about how to adapt to the asf way of doing things (meritocracy, voting, et cetera). this individual also has the responsibility of keeping the incubator pmc informed of progress and issues, and likewise is the official conduit for bringing concerns and suggestions from the incubator to the podling community. what's the role of the incubator pmc in this? at the least, it's a set of passionate asf people who are essentially in agreement about what makes something a genuine 'apache'-style project, who review the reports of the mentors and make suggestions and eventually vote on whether the podling has become self-sustaining in the 'apache way' of doing things. in a more perfect world, the pmc members will involve themselve more deeply than that in at least some of the podlings, so they can observe at first hand, possibly providing guidance at first hand (though preferably through the mentor).
what's the role of a 'sponsoring pmc' in this? solely as an observer until the podling graduates.
what's the role of a sponsoring project in this? to help out, to whatever degree they severally desire, in educating their soon-to-be neighbours in specific details about the sponsoring project itself.
and that's what my thoughts are at this point in tim
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