On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 06:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
The root of the problem here is that most of the ASF (including myself)
was not really aware of a lot of the rationale for why the httpd PMC was
constructed and managed in the fashion it is. About this time last year,
we had a *lot* of conversations around the structure and organization of
the ASF, and a lot of this was discovered and discussed. There is now a
lot of backfill that needs to occur, but (still) has not.
I think some of this results from the fact that, for quite awhile, we had (almost) 2 poles of how things worked. One was the old httpd method where committers very naturally and almost "automatically" moved up to PMC and ASF members. There were 3 separate camps, but more like 3 different "stages" (think of something like insect growth: larva - pupa - adult, no other meanings suggested by this analogy :) ).
The other was the Jakarta mode where there were 3 camps. And the # of committers was much large than their representative PMCs and membership. There was also some concern over oversight and the fact that many committers couldn't give a fig about the ASF itself and had no real desire to be anymore than "just" committers.
The general results was that the way that httpd did things was likely "more right" (regarding supporting the goals and intents of the ASF) than the way Jakarta did it. The Incubator was one result of this.
I'm CCing the Incubator because this may also address some questions from the general Incubator populace as well.
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