I particularly liked Marc's comment...

No current JBoss developers are participating in the
Apache J2EE project

This is an interesting play on words. There are various developers from the JBoss open source project who are contributing to Geronimo.


But yesterday they had their CVS access to the JBoss project removed - probably because of their involvement with Geronimo! Which is quite outrageous for something which is meant to be an open source project. It seems like JBoss Group LLC and the (once open) project are now one in the same thing.

Anyways, as Greg said - lets just ignore stuff like this and focus on our own work.


On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 06:02 am, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:


FYI.

Other strange things are happening as well such as blocked JBoss cvs
accounts and blocked mails to JBoss mailing lists. This is really becoming
ugly.


Cheers,
Andreas

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Apache J2EE effort.
First a bit of history. I offered EJBoss when it was 4 month old to
Apache. The guys at Jakarta vote OK unanimously and their vote was
overridden by Brian Behlendorf. The reason from behlendorf was that they
'were not the dust bin of open source projects'. I heard the Apache
crowd got offended for me calling them "a bunch of fat ladies drinking
tea" at a later date when they were running around telling us how to run
our project. We had reports that this was the non-official reason for
this "challenge". Challenge accepted. More seriously as we overtake
them in corporate penetration and business model, I guess they are
finally looking beyond the HTTPD C codebase and imitation is the
sincerest form of flattery.


We are the real thing, all we have so far is talk and announcement,
announcements are a dime a dozen. Apache code on this project has yet
to be released and then production reached and then maturity bla bla
bla. I have little comment on the project except to say that JBOSS IS
NOT A PART OF IT. In a misleading announcement Apache chairman's Greg
Stein implied JBoss was participating and that JBOSS CODE WAS PART OF
THE PROJECT. No current JBoss developers are participating in the
Apache J2EE project and since JBoss is LGPL only full copyright holders
can offer JBoss code under other licenses. Bottom line? JBoss can't be
forked by apache. As our customers know, we are a business, a serious
one and we seriously believe in and defend "professional open source".
That includes legal protection of IP. Make no mistakes, JBoss will
AGGRESIVELY defend its copyright and LGPL license.

[...]


Marcf

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