On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 08:40 -0700, Brian Weis wrote:
> Hi Elwyn,
> 
> Thanks much for your detailed review. We'll handle your minor issues ASAP, 
> but this email will address the major issue below.
> 
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Elwyn Davies wrote:
> 
> > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on 
> > Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at 
> > <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>.
> > 
> > Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments 
> > you may receive.
> > 
> > Document: draft-ietf-msec-gdoi-update-09.txt
> > Reviewer: Elwyn Davies
> > Review Date: 19 July 2011
> > IETF LC End Date: 19 July 2011
> > IESG Telechat date: (if known) -
> > 
> > Summary:
> > Not ready.
> > 
> > Major issues:
> > One has to ask: Why is an updated protocol being based on ISAKMP/RFC
> > 2408 with references to RFC 2407 and RFC 2409 when all these are now
> > obsolete?
> 
> This is a reasonable question to ask. The rationale stated by the document 
> shepherd addresses this question:
> 
> "Among the normative references are 3 documents that have been obsoleted by 
> the IPsec-v3 RFCs (RFC 4301, etc.) These RFCs were made obsolete the 
> publication of IKEv2, without regard for the fact that although IKEv1 was 
> directly obsoleted by IKEv2, other RFCs relying on those protocol definitions 
> were not directly obsoleted by the publishing of IKEv2. WG chairs believe 
> that updating GDOI as defined in RFC 3547 (and thus continuing to rely on 
> these references) is necessary for interoperability."
> 
> Some additional thoughts:
> - There are multiple implementations of the GDOI specification. 
> Inconsistencies have been noted in the standard that should be resolved to 
> ensure their interoperability. As a related matter, some of the IANA 
> definitions need to be clarified.
> - GDOI was published quite early in MSEC's history. Since that time the 
> working group published documents describing how group key management systems 
> should interact with IPsec, and also describing how to deal with cipher 
> counter modes. The update document brings GDOI into conformance with those 
> later published documents.
> - Because RFC 3547 was published so long ago, the required ciphers need 
> updating to match current cryptographic guidance.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian 

Hi, Brian.

Clearly the WG thought this was the appropriate way forwards.  If Sean
and the IESG are willing to accept this as well, then I don't have a
problem with this.  However, I think that incorporating something like
this justification either as a note after the abstract or into Section 1
would be helpful.

Regards,
Elwyn

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