Hi Jari,

We are doing revision according to the comments we received. What do you 
suggest as our next step?

Thanks!
Zhenkai
On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Richard L. Barnes wrote:

> That's fine, just thought it would be an interesting area to discuss.
> --Richard
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Lixia Zhang wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Richard L. Barnes wrote:
>> 
>>> Zhenkai,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for following up.  With regard to security/NATs: These could be 
>>> relevant in your comparison, since I would think that different proposals 
>>> would have different properties along these lines.  For example, it seems 
>>> like the degree of trust placed in the HA/rendezvous function varies quite 
>>> a bit, as does the safety of the binding update mechanism (i.e., its 
>>> ability to prevent an attacker from using spoofed updates to steal traffic).
>>> 
>>> --Richard
>> 
>> first, I agree that some of the solutions have different properties 
>> regarding security/NAT handling.  
>> 
>> However note that the solution approaches span a very wide range, hence the 
>> relevance degree of security/NAT also varies in a rather wide range (e.g. 
>> consider those routing based solutions like Connexions or WINMO).
>> 
>> The center issue of mobility support is resolving the location and identity 
>> conflict, that every solution must address.
>> 
>> We believe it makes a good tradeoff to laser focus on this center issue in a 
>> single survey, to keep it within both a well defined focus and also 
>> reasonable in size.
>> 
>> Lixia
>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Zhenkai Zhu wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the review.
>>>> We plan to briefly mention link layer and application layer mobility 
>>>> approaches. However, security and how they deal with NAT and firewalls are 
>>>> separate issues, as this document focuses on how the protocols handle the 
>>>> mobility. 
>>>> 
>>>> For S5.3, we agree that it is "political" and we are willing to remove it.
>>>> 
>>>> We'll also address other minor issues you mentioned.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Zhenkai
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Richard L. Barnes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on
>>>>> Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at
>>>>> <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq>.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please wait for direction from your document shepherd
>>>>> or AD before posting a new version of the draft.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Document: draft-zhu-mobility-survey-03
>>>>> Reviewer:  Richard Barnes
>>>>> Review Date:  2011-02-28
>>>>> IETF LC End Date: 2011-03-09
>>>>> IESG Telechat date: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Summary:  This draft is almost ready for publication as an Informational 
>>>>> RFC.  Its discussion of mobility technologies is thorough, but incorrect 
>>>>> in some places, and could use some more context.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Major issues: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> General:
>>>>> The document hypothesizes at a few points reasons why IP mobility 
>>>>> techniques haven't caught on, without really looking at competitor 
>>>>> technologies.  In particular, it would be good to spend a little time 
>>>>> talking about techniques for mobility at the link layer (such as the 3GPP 
>>>>> GTP approach) and at the application layer (SIP REGISTER, XMPP, etc.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> General:
>>>>> The document does not discuss security considerations at all.  While I'm 
>>>>> sure these considerations are discussed in individual documents, it could 
>>>>> be helpful to pull up common high-level issues up to this document.
>>>>> 
>>>>> General:
>>>>> There's not really any mention here of how these technologies interact 
>>>>> NATs and firewalls, both of  which could seriously limit their scope.
>>>>> 
>>>>> S5.3:
>>>>> I found Section 5.3 duplicative of the previous section and mainly full 
>>>>> of political, rather than technical content.  Suggest removing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> S6.2:
>>>>> TCP is not the only transport-layer protocol!  In particular, in voice 
>>>>> and video calls, the stuff that goes on for a long time is all UDP, and 
>>>>> sessions are managed through a separate signaling protocol, which can be 
>>>>> UDP or TCP.  All of the discussion of session management (especially for 
>>>>> VoIP) should take into account the mobility features that are already 
>>>>> available at the application layer (e.g., SIP re-INVITEs), and discuss 
>>>>> how these features interact with mobility at other layers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Minor issues: none
>>>>> 
>>>>> S4.7: 
>>>>> How does NEMO relate to normal use of the routing protocols to detach and 
>>>>> reattach a network?  A couple of sentences would be helpful here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> S4.15: 
>>>>> It's not really accurate to say that global HAHA avoids "triangle 
>>>>> routing", since it actually does make a triangle.  In Figure 6, there's a 
>>>>> missing arrow from the CN to the nearby HA, which completes the HA-HA-CN 
>>>>> triangle.  So it's not that sufficient density avoids triangle routing, 
>>>>> it just makes it less of a big deal because the HAs are close to the 
>>>>> endpoints.
>>>>> 
>>>>> S4.17 P1:
>>>>> I'm a little mystified as to how something is "published in the DNS, and 
>>>>> only accessible to the subscriber".  Quick clarification would be 
>>>>> helpful.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nits/editorial comments:
>>>>> 
>>>>> S2, "Locator": 
>>>>> It could be helpful to note here that you're talking about *topological* 
>>>>> location, not geolocation.s
>>>>> 
>>>>> S4.8 P1: 
>>>>> The phrase "universally deployed" is used a couple of times in this 
>>>>> paragraph; it inspires unnecessary pessimism in the reader :)  You might 
>>>>> want to re-scope to say that mobility is naturally supported in domains 
>>>>> where multicast is enabled.
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

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