Alper,

I don't have any problem with this, I just want to make sure that
the IESG has seen and agrees with (i.e., discusses) this line of
reasoning.

Thanks,
--David 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alper Yegin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:53 AM
> To: Black, David; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jari 
> Arkko'; 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'
> Subject: RE: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-pana-framework-10.txt
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thank you again for the re-review. 
> 
> Dan Romascanu had flagged the "MUST implement" reference to
> draft-ietf-pana-snmp I-D (a dead draft). In consultation with 
> Dan and Mark
> Townsley, we agreed to remove that requirement.
> 
> Just to recap how we ended up removing that requirement (from 
> two of my
> e-mails):
> 
> "The WG was originally scoped to work only on the PaC-to-PAA protocol
> (PANA). Later the WG was asked by our previous AD to also 
> define at least
> one protocol for the PAA-to-EP leg. We ended up embarking on 
> that work to
> define a complete picture.
> 
> Irrespective of the EAP peer (e.g., PaC) to authenticator (e.g., PAA)
> protocol (e.g., PANA, PKMv2, IEEE 802.1X, HRPD), there is need for an
> authenticator to enforcement point protocol when the two are 
> separated.
> Today there are numerous protocols used for that (e.g., R6 in 
> WiMAX, CAPWAP
> in WiFi, Rp in 3GPP2, and IETF's upcoming ANCP in DSL). Defining an
> architecture-neutral protocol is a good task, but I'd say 
> it's better scoped
> as a work item for a separate WG.
> 
> For that reason, I'm leaning towards putting that work aside 
> for PANA WG. If
> and when IETF decides to tackle generic authenticator to 
> enforcement point
> protocol, draft-ietf-pana-snmp can be a useful starting point."
> 
> And
> 
> "According to our framework, as illustrated [Fig 1. in fwk], 
> PANA is part of
> a larger picture that includes other protocols running between various
> entities.
> 
> While the core protocol work of PANA WG is running between 
> PaC and PAA, we
> are also showing protocols between PAA-to-AS, PAA-to-EP, and 
> PaC-to-EP.
> 
> The PaC-to-EP protocol is very much access technology 
> specific. E.g., PKMv2
> in WiMAX, 802.1X 4-way handshake in WiFi, etc. We list them 
> informatively.
> 
> The PAA-to-EP protocol is also architecture specific. WiMAX 
> uses R6, some
> WiFis uses CAPWAP, some ADSL would be using ANCP, etc.
> 
> I think what we can do is, like we did for the PaC-to-EP 
> protocols, we can
> informatively list the protocols (excluding SNMP) that are 
> used for the
> PAA-to-EP leg."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Alper 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:26 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-pana-framework-10.txt
> > 
> > I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART)
> > reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
> > http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).
> > 
> > Please wait for direction from your document shepherd
> > or AD before posting a new version of the draft.
> > 
> > Document: draft-ietf-pana-framework-10.txt
> > Reviewer: David L. Black
> > Review Date: September , 2007
> > IETF Telechat Date: September 20, 2007
> > 
> > Summary:
> > 
> > This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described
> > in the review.
> > 
> > Comments:
> > 
> > The items identified in the Gen-ART review of the -08 version
> > of this draft have been addressed in the -09 version.  They
> > are still ok in the -10 version.
> > 
> > The one significant change I noticed between -09 and -10 is
> > removal of the "MUST implement" requirement for SNMP between
> > the PAA and EP when these two entities are separated.  This
> > requirement has not been replaced.
> > 
> > Whether the  should be replaced is the one and only "open issue"
> > in this review.  I'm not sure whether the requirement needs to
> > be replaced, but I am sure that the IESG should discuss whether
> > it ought to be replaced, and if so by a requirement for what
> > protocol, ANCP?  I would be comfortable with a conclusion that
> > not having requirement is appropriate, but want to ensure that
> > this is done as a conscious decision and not by default.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > --David
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > David L. Black, Senior Technologist
> > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA  01748
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> 
> 
> 


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