Hi Gerald,

On Sun, 2025-03-30 at 15:46 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> Ping again. Are there any other clarifications you like to see added?

So I believe this week we had a situation where this clarified test
would have been helpful. Is there anything that prevents this from
going in?

Thanks,

Mark

> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 11:18:08PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:59:16AM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 05:14:20PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 04:40:10PM +0900, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 2 Dec 2024, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > > > > > Adjust the DCO text to match the broader community usage and
> > > > > > clarifications around the use of real names, known identities and
> > > > > > (anonymous) pseudonyms.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > These changes clarify what was meant by "real name" and that it is 
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > required to be a "legal name" or any other stronger requirement 
> > > > > > than a
> > > > > > known identity that could be contacted to discuss the contribution 
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > adopted by other communities like the linux kernel, elfutils, cncf 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > gentoo.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also explain that the FSF assignment policy might be more 
> > > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > when wanting to contribute using an anonymous pseudonym.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This looks fine to me personally, though I don't feel I can simply 
> > > > > approve 
> > > > > this wearing my wwwdocs hat (which is why I haven't responded 
> > > > > earlier).
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jason, you have originally contributed this if I remember correctly; 
> > > > > how 
> > > > > do we go about such a change?
> > > > 
> > > > Please let me know. Updated patch below.
> > > > 
> > > > > (One minor bit: The sentence "This will be done for you automatically 
> > > > > if 
> > > > > you use `git commit -s`" feels a bit off now there is more details on 
> > > > > something else preceeding it. i.e., `git commit -s` does not establish
> > > > > real names as such. Maybe leave it earlier in the paragraph?)
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, good point. I swapped the sentences.
> > > 
> > > And then I attached the old patch anyway. Sorry. Really updated patch
> > > attached now.
> > 
> > Ping.
> > 
> > > > P.S. There will be a panel discussion organized by the FSF licensing
> > > > and compliance manager on copyrights and developer certificates of
> > > > origin at Fosdem:
> > > > https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-5376-managing-copyrights-in-free-software-projects-discussion-panel-with-gnu-maintainers/
> > > > I'll try to attend and report back.
> > 
> > Also the GDB hackers and the FSF have a discussion about
> > clarifications of copyright assignment and DCO practices:
> > https://inbox.sourceware.org/gdb/605f81a2-000e-42a3-b5fd-1854e92c5...@fsf.org/
> > 
> > > From b385e23076bdf843068f8242995461bef2e79748 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > > From: Mark Wielaard <m...@klomp.org>
> > > Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 11:16:00 +0100
> > > Subject: [PATCH] wwwdocs: Clarify DCO name/identity and (anonymous) 
> > > pseudonym
> > >  policy
> > > 
> > > Adjust the DCO text to match the broader community usage and
> > > clarifications around the use of real names, known identities and
> > > (anonymous) pseudonyms.
> > > 
> > > These changes clarify what was meant by "real name" and that it is not
> > > required to be a "legal name" or any other stronger requirement than a
> > > known identity and can be contacted to discuss the contribution as
> > > adopted by other communities like the linux kernel, elfutils, cncf and
> > > gentoo.
> > > 
> > > Also explain that the FSF assignment policy might be more appropriate
> > > when wanting to contribute using an anonymous pseudonym or when
> > > needing an explicit company disclaimer.
> > > ---
> > >  htdocs/dco.html | 17 +++++++++++++++--
> > >  1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/htdocs/dco.html b/htdocs/dco.html
> > > index 68fa183b9fc0..0bf0d3fedf34 100644
> > > --- a/htdocs/dco.html
> > > +++ b/htdocs/dco.html
> > > @@ -54,8 +54,21 @@ then you just add a line saying:
> > >  
> > >  <pre>    Signed-off-by: Random J Developer 
> > > &lt;ran...@developer.example.org></pre>
> > >  
> > > -using your real name (sorry, no pseudonyms or anonymous contributions.)  
> > > This
> > > -will be done for you automatically if you use `git commit -s`.
> > > +using a known identity (sorry, no anonymous contributions.)  This will
> > > +be done for you automatically if you use `git commit -s`.  The name
> > > +you use as your identity should not be an anonymous id or false name
> > > +that misrepresents who you are.
> > > +
> > > +<p>A known identity can be the committer's real, birth or legal name,
> > > +but can also be an established (online) identity.  It is the name you
> > > +convey to people in the community for them to use to identify you as
> > > +you.  A key concern is that your identification is sufficient enough
> > > +to contact you if an issue were to arise in the future about your
> > > +contribution.  You should not deliberately use a name or email address
> > > +that hides your identity.  When you wish to only contribute under an
> > > +(anonymous) pseudonym, or when you require an explicit employer
> > > +disclaimer, then following the <a href="contribute.html#legal">FSF
> > > +assignment process</a> is more appropriate.</p>
> > >  
> > >  <p>Some people also put extra optional tags at the end.  The GCC project 
> > > does
> > >  not require tags from anyone other than the original author of the 
> > > patch, but
> > > -- 
> > > 2.47.1
> > > 
> > 

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