Yes, after today’s discussion, I think we agreed on 

1. Passing the size field by reference to .ACCESS_WITH_SIZE as jakub suggested.
2. Then the compiler should be able to always use the latest value of size 
field for the reference to FAM.

As a result, no need to add code for pointer re-obtaining purpose in the source 
code. 

I will update the proposal one more time.

thanks.

Qing

> On Nov 2, 2023, at 8:28 PM, Bill Wendling <isanb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 1:36 PM Qing Zhao <qing.z...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks a lot for raising these issues.
>> 
>> If I understand correctly,  the major question we need to answer is:
>> 
>> For the following example: (Jakub mentioned this  in an early message)
>> 
>>  1 struct S { int a; char b __attribute__((counted_by (a))) []; };
>>  2 struct S s;
>>  3 s.a = 5;
>>  4 char *p = &s.b[2];
>>  5 int i1 = __builtin_dynamic_object_size (p, 0);
>>  6 s.a = 3;
>>  7 int i2 = __builtin_dynamic_object_size (p, 0);
>> 
>> Should the 2nd __bdos call (line 7) get
>>        A. the latest value of s.a (line 6) for it’s size?
>> Or      B. the value when the s.b was referenced (line 3, line 4)?
>> 
> I personally think it should be (A). The user is specifically
> indicating that the size has somehow changed, and the compiler should
> behave accordingly.
> 
>> A should be more convenient for the user to use the dynamic array feature.
>> With B, the user has to modify the source code (to add code to “re-obtain”
>> the pointer after the size was adjusted at line 6) as mentioned by Richard.
>> 
>> This depends on how we design the new internal function .ACCESS_WITH_SIZE
>> 
>> 1. Size is passed by value to .ACCESS_WITH_SIZE as we currently designed.
>> 
>> PTR = .ACCESS_WITH_SIZE (PTR, SIZE, ACCESS_MODE)
>> 
>> 2. Size is passed by reference to .ACCESS_WITH_SIZE as Jakub suggested.
>> 
>> PTR = .ACCESS_WITH_SIZE(PTR, &SIZE, TYPEOFSIZE, ACCESS_MODE)
>> 
>> With 1, We can only provide B, the user needs to modify the source code to 
>> get the full feature of dynamic array;
>> With 2, We can provide  A, the user will get full support to the dynamic 
>> array without restrictions in the source code.
>> 
> My understanding of ACCESS_WITH_SIZE is that it's there to add an
> explicit reference to SIZE so that the optimizers won't reorder the
> code incorrectly. If that's the case, then it should act as if
> ACCESS_WITH_SIZE wasn't even there (i.e. it's just a pointer
> dereference into the FAM). We get that with (2) it appears. It would
> be a major headache to make the user go throughout their code base to
> ensure that SIZE was either unmodified, or if it was that extra code
> must be added to ensure the expected behavior.
> 
>> However, We have to pay additional cost for supporting A by using 2, which 
>> includes:
>> 
>> 1. .ACCESS_WITH_SIZE will become an escape point, which will further impact 
>> the IPA optimizations, more runtime overhead.
>>    Then .ACCESS_WTH_SIZE will not be CONST, right? But it will still be PURE?
>> 
>> 2. __builtin_dynamic_object_size will NOT be LEAF anymore.  This will also 
>> impact some IPA optimizations, more runtime overhead.
>> 
>> I think the following are the factors that make the decision:
>> 
>> 1. How big the performance impact?
>> 2. How important the dynamic array feature? Is adding some user restrictions 
>> as Richard mentioned feasible to support this feature?
>> 
>> Maybe we can implement 1 first, if the full support to the dynamic array is 
>> needed, we can add 2 then?
>> Or, we can implement both, and compare the performance difference, then 
>> decide?
>> 
>> Qing
>> 

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