On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Jonathan Wakely <jwak...@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 05/08/17 20:05 +0100, Pedro Alves wrote:
>>
>> On 08/04/2017 07:52 PM, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
>>>
>>> On 31/07/17 19:46 -0400, tbsaunde+...@tbsaunde.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been saying I'd do this for a long time, but I'm finally getting to
>>>> importing the C++98 compatable unique_ptr class Pedro wrote for gdb a
>>>> while
>>>> back.
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot for doing this!
>>
>>> I believe the gtl namespace also comes from Pedro, but GNU template
>>> library seems as reasonable as any other name I can come up with.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I had suggested it here:
>>
>>  https://sourceware.org/ml/gdb-patches/2017-02/msg00197.html
>>
>>>
>>> If it's inspired by "STL" then can we call it something else?
>>>
>>> std::unique_ptr is not part of the STL, because the STL is a library
>>> of containers and algorithms from the 1990s. std::unique_ptr is
>>> something much newer that doesn't originate in the STL.
>>>
>>> STL != C++ Standard Library
>>
>>
>> That I knew, but gtl was not really a reference to the
>> C++ Standard Library, so I don't see the problem.  It was supposed to
>> be the name of a library which would contain other C++ utilities
>> that would be shared by different GNU toolchain components.
>> Some of those bits would be inspired by, or be straight backports of
>> more-recent standards, but it'd be more than that.
>>
>> An option would be to keep "gtl" as acronym, but expand it
>> to "GNU Toolchain Library" instead.
>
>
> OK, that raises my hackles less. What bothered me was an apparent
> analogy to "STL" when that isn't even the right name for the library
> that provides the original unique_ptr.
>
> And "template library" assumes we'd never add non-templates to it,
> which is unlikely (you already mentioned offset_type, which isn't a
> template).
>
> It seems odd to make up a completely new acronym for this though,
> rather than naming it after something that exists already in the
> toolchain codebases.
>
>
>> For example, gdb has been growing C++ utilities under gdb/common/
>> that might be handy for gcc and other projects too, for example:
>>
>> - enum_flags (type-safe enum bit flags)
>> - function_view (non-owning reference to callables)
>> - offset_type (type safe / distinct integer types to represent offsets
>>                into anything addressable)
>> - optional (C++11 backport of libstdc++'s std::optional)
>> - refcounted_object.h (intrusively-refcounted types)
>> - scoped_restore (RAII save/restore of globals)
>> - an allocator that default-constructs using default-initialization
>>   instead of value-initialization.
>>
>> and more.
>>
>> GCC OTOH has code that might be handy for GDB as well, like for
>> example the open addressing hash tables (hash_map/hash_table/hash_set
>> etc.).
>>
>> Maybe Gold could make use of some of this code too.  There
>> are some bits in Gold that might be useful for (at least) GDB
>> too.  For example, its Stringpool class.
>>
>> I think there's a lot of scope for sharing more code between the
>> different components of the GNU toolchain, even beyond general
>> random utilities and data structures, and I'd love to see us
>> move more in that direction.
>>
>>> If we want a namespace for GNU utilities, what's wrong with "gnu"?
>>
>>
>> That'd be an "obvious" choice, and I'm not terribly against it,
>> though I wonder whether it'd be taking over a name that has a wider
>> scope than intended?  I.e., GNU is a larger set of projects than the
>> GNU toolchain.  For example, there's Gnulib, which already compiles
>> as libgnu.a / -lgnu, which might be confusing.  GCC doesn't currently
>> use Gnulib, but GDB does, and, there was work going on a while ago to
>> make GCC use gnulib as well.
>
>
> Good point. "gnutools" might be more accurate, but people might object
> to adding 10 extra characters for "gnutools::".
>
> Naming is important, especially for a whole namespace (not just a
> single type) so I do think it's worth spending time getting it right.
>
> But I could live with gtl as long as nobody ever says "GTL is the GNU
> STL" or mentions "gtl" and STL in the same breath :-)

If it should be short use g::.  We can also use gnu:: I guess and I
agree gnutools:: is a little long (similar to libiberty::).  Maybe
gt:: as a short-hand for gnutools.

Richard.

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