whatever he is, he is NOT "poor guy" as what he done, as you said correctly , irrespective of his sexuality/ gender etc. is absolutely wrong. So he should be punished and punished by the law of the land where it has been committed. Should not be judged by the culture (I mean Soudi culture) where being gay is enough, not necessarily you have to be a killer. Havingsaid that we also should recall the article we have seen here which mentioned about the so called underground homosexual culture of Soudi world where same sex is very common.
cheers from London, too. ________________________________ From: Michiel Willems <michiel...@hotmail.com> To: "gaybom...@yahoogroups.com" <gaybom...@yahoogroups.com>; gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com; hindigaysto...@yahoogroups.com; coolestgaydu...@yahoogroups.com; gaypakistanig...@yahoogroups.com Cc: red_doo...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, 24 January, 2011 12:31:42 Subject: RE: [gb] Saudi Prince could face execution in Saudi Arabia; for being a homosexual Yes, this is a high profile case in London/the UK. And I think he should not be extradited to Saudi-Arabia, he will be (and should be) in prison for years in the UK, but not because he is gay or is victim was gay. The British judge does not look at whether he was gay, straight or bi, but what he has done, in this case murder. It is very likely he will be locked up in a British prison for 15 to 20 years and then is granted asylum, because in his homeland they will probably execute him, and if the Saudi Government does not do it, his family will make sure he gets a car/boat/traffic/hiking 'accident'... Poor guy, if he had just gone down to one of the many London gay bars and had a fun night, instead of killing his assistant in a violent sex act, his future would have looked so different. A case like this should remind us that, although we might be in different circumstances, culture or families, it is us - and no one else - who decides how we can have a balanced gay life-style, open or closed, secretive or in your face, it does not matter. As long as we don't brutalize, threaten and abuse fellow gays just because we cannot cope with our 'gay being'. Cheers from London ________________________________ To: gaybom...@yahoogroups.com; gay_bombay@yahoogroups.com; hindigaysto...@yahoogroups.com; coolestgaydu...@yahoogroups.com; gaypakistanig...@yahoogroups.com CC: red_doo...@yahoo.com From: sanjay_lulla2...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 03:21:57 -0800 Subject: [gb] Saudi Prince could face execution in Saudi Arabia; for being a homosexual Courtesy Gay Of Bengal the morderator of Gaybangla. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/prince-could-face-death-penalty-in-saudi-arabia-2107877.html A Saudi prince accused of murdering his servant could face the death penalty in his home country over his alleged gay sex life, a court heard today. Homosexuality is illegal under Saudi Arabia's sharia law code, an Old Bailey jury trying Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud was told. At times the families of defendants in such cases have pushed for the most severe penalty because of the perceived shame, the court heard. Saud, 34, is accused of killing 32-year-old Bandar Abdulaziz during a ferocious attack with a "sexual element" in February. Two male escorts are alleged to have performed sex acts on the prince at the Landmark hotel in central London where he and Mr Abdulaziz were staying. John Kelsey-Fry QC, defending, has denied suggestions that the two men were in a gay relationship. Bobbie Cheema, prosecuting, said: "Homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia and carries the death penalty which is still applied in some cases. "The country in which any alleged acts took place would have little bearing on the likelihood of prosecution as the Saudi legal system is based on the sharia law which is considered to be universal. "Whether the defendant would be prosecuted is a matter for the Saudi authorities but would to some extent depend on the wishes of his family. "There have been cases where the family have pushed for the most severe penalty, particularly where the individual is thought to have brought shame on the family. "The defendant could be at risk from members of his own family who may feel that he has brought shame on the family. "He could also be at risk from members of the victim's family, although as he is a member of the Saudi royal family this risk would be reduced. "Saudi Arabian nationals have in the past applied for and been granted asylum in the United Kingdom on the basis that they are homosexual and would be at risk of prosecution - and potentially the death penalty - or harm if they returned to Saudi Arabia." Mr Kelsey-Fry said the Saudi law as described in the admissions to the court read out by Miss Cheema would only apply "if it were the case that the defendant had engaged in homosexuality". Saud denies murder and a second charge if grievous bodily harm with intent in relation to an earlier alleged assault in a hotel lift. Mr Kelsey-Fry told the court he would not be calling the prince or any other witnesses to give evidence. The judge, Mr Justice Bean, sent the jury away until Monday when he said there would be a closing speech by prosecutor Jonathan Laidlaw QC. He said there would then be a speech by Mr Kelsey-Fry for the defence followed by the judge's summing up. Jurors were told they would probably be sent out to consider their verdicts on Tuesday. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Homosexuals_(Saudi_Arabia) Nine young Saudi men are each sentenced to at least 2,400 lashes and at least five years in prison for "deviant sexual behavior" Nine young Saudi men have each been sentenced to more than 2,000 lashes and at least five years in prison for deviant sexual behavior, a police officer said Sunday. A court in the western city of Qunfuda on Saturday sentenced five of the men to six years in prison and 2,600 lashes. The men are to be flogged 52 times in 50 sessions, the officer said on condition of anonymity. The four other defendants were sentenced to five years and 2,400 lashes. They are to be flogged 48 times in 50 sessions. There will be a pause of 15 days between each of the flogging sessions. Police started tailing the nine men after reports that they were acting strangely, the officer said. He said police found that they were dressing in women’s clothes and engaging in deviant sexual behavior with each other. He said the nine confessed to the charges. The conservative kingdom, where women are not allowed to drive and must be covered head-to-toe in public, follows a strict interpretation of Islamic law. Courts routinely order hands amputated for theft, and public execution for murder, rape, sodomy and drug trafficking. Human rights organizations have criticized those penalties. They say defendants do not receive fair trials and often do not have access to lawyers. Saudi executes three Yemeni men found guilty of "committing the extreme obscenity of homosexuality and imitating women". They had also been convicted of molesting boys Saudi Arabia on Friday executed three Yemeni men found guilty of engaging in homosexual acts and molesting young boys, the official Saudi Press Agency reported. It quoted an Interior Ministry statement as saying that a court had found the three men guilty of "committing the extreme obscenity of homosexuality and imitating women,’’ in violation of Islamic rules which ban homosexuality. The three men, who were put to death in the southwestern city of Jizan, had also been convicted of molesting boys. Other ministry statements later said authorities also severed the right hands of a Nigerian man, a convicted pickpocket, and two Saudi robbers. The Nigerian had been caught stealing from worshippers at the Grand Mosque in the holy city of Mecca, while the two Saudi men had been convicted of break-ins at homes and shops. The executions raised to at least 70 the number of people put to death in the conservative kingdom so far this year. Last year, Saudi Arabia executed at least 99 people for various crimes. The kingdom applies strict Islamic sharia laws, also executing murderers, rapists and drug smugglers, usually by public beheading. The laws call for the amputation of the right hand for theft. little prince-Sanjay N Lulla
