Hi Che, I'm sorry you took my comments so negatively, but I was not trying to put down, insult, or treat other programmers as incompetent, etc. Let me say that you are reading more into what I said then was intended or implied. I'm not sure how or why I always get myself into these kinds of situations, but it seems to me a lot of people jump to the wrong conclusions or opinions of what I say. All I can say is it is a lot of miscommunication between you and I.
For instance, you said, "Have you taken a look at what David Greenwood has put out in the past 10 years with his incompetent skills, inferior programming language and low level work ethic?" Never in all the years I've been a member of this community have I ever accused David Greenwood of being incompetent or having a lazy work ethic etc. On the contrary I have a great deal of respect for the work he has done and purchased Lone Wolf, Shades of Doom, tank Commander, Time of Conflict, etc. In fact the only product of his I have not purchased is VIP Mud simply because I'm not really into mudding myself. Otherwise I have purchased and enjoyed every one of his products. Yes, I might not agree with the language and tools he uses, but that doesn't in anyway mean I do not respect him or his work. To say otherwise is a complete misrepresentation of my character, and would be absolutely false. As for the issue that I passively aggressively labeled you as a lazy programmer you are just wrong on that account. I never intended to say that. What I said was that there was a time and place for certain languages like VB to be used when the developer is in a hurry to get things done, when the person is on a schedule like a corperate environment, or if they don't want to take the extra time to build a game or similar product from scratch. I know why you are all fired upset, and that's because I used the word lazy, but what I meant by being lazy is simply not wanting to take more time than necessary to create a product. That's not necessarily a bad thing, and I did not mean it in a negative context although I do see how you could draw that conclusion. I don't know what else to say other than you took my meaning, interpreted it in the wrong way, and twisted it to say something other than what was meant. So here is the issue. You say I am being very insulting. That I'm putting other developers down even though I am in no way trying to do that. All I am trying to do or say is explain why I personally do what I do, why I might choose to use C++ over some other language, and the logic behind what I am doing. Sometimes that requires mentioning some short comings of another language like VB that I feel does not meet my personal standards or requirements. In such a case my comments are only directed at the language under discussion. That's a totally separate issue of weather I think Jeremey, David Greenwood, Jim Kitchen, or someone else is a decent programmer and should or should not be respected. In many cases I do respect the programmer, enjoy his body of work, despite being written in a language I wouldn't use myself. Why do you insist that if I say language x isn't the best language out there you immediately assume it is some underhanded attack on some other developer who uses the language? I honestly don't understand where you are coming from, but let me tell you how I see things. If I say that I don't agree with the developers choice of language or tools you guys immediately take it as a personal insult. Even though I respect what the developer is doing with what he knows or uses. Never-the-less you automatically assume I don't respect him, and that's not true. A case in point. You used VB .Net for Rail Racer. I totally understand why you chose the language, and I have nothing but respect for you as a new developer for creating such a superb racing game. My issue isn't with you or Rail Racer personally, but I might have a few technical things against VB .Net from a development standpoint. One of those being simply that it requires several extra packages like .Net Framework and Managed DirectX to be installed on to the end users machine to get it to run when I could relie on core C++ libraries and components to do the same thing with a lot less in terms of extra dependencies. Of course, now that .Net is a core component of Windows 7 that's not really such a problem any more. However, my view of the language and tools does not mean that I consider you or anyone else as incompetent for using them. If you think I'm saying you are incompetent then maybe you are being a tad bit overly sensitive, and looking for things in my messages that aren't there. In short, what I am saying is as people we often begin labeling others a certain way, and no matter what they say or do we filter them through those initial preconceptions. By the tone of your message you make me sound like some kind of puffed up, arrogant, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing, elitist or something. This is most likely do to the fact you are judging me on soully the messages posted to the list and from a personal point of view you don't know me from Adam. So instead of flaming me as you have why don't you do something constructive give me examples of what I said, word for word, and then tell me exactly how you would have worded it yourself to get the exact same point across without being so offensive I think this is the critical issue. Its not what I said but how I said it that really burns your rear? Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [email protected].
