Not as good as Jaws? I don't know man I think NVDA is slowly getting there. Jfw is just big and bloated and they do not care anymore about what the end user wants, rather they pack in features that the everyday user is never going to use. Everything in jfw 15 NVDA already has. I for one am just not impressed with it anymore. And I was a jfw jaws user for over 25 years. I could be wrong but I think NVDA is the future of screen readers for windows.
-----Original Message----- From: Gamers [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Note to XP users How do you figure that upgrading is not expensive? Some of us, myself included, have old machines that still work fine for what we use them for. Unemployed and on very tight budgets, so cannot afford a newer machine. Then, there is the cost of the new OS software. Although I do have JAWS 14, some don't have the money to upgrade to that or to JAWS 15 which will soon be released. If you need a new SMA from FS, that now costs $160, which I don't have. I know there are free screen readers available, but they are not as good as what tons of money has already been spent on. And there is also the point that a lot of software we have spent money on that, as far as I know, won't work on, or is troublesome to get working on, the newer OS we will get. And there is the learning curve to deal with as well. Maybe we should upgrade, but can we? --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Peterson" <[email protected]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Note to XP users > To be fair upgrading isn't exactly an inexpensive proposition. > > > > Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris H > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:17 PM > To: Gamers Discussion list > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Note to XP users > > I actually laugh at those still on Xp. I'm like why and just give a > gentle hint that it will be no more as of next year and some just don't > care and have an atitude about it. > > On 11/09/2013 19:07, Bryan Peterson wrote: >> Well said both of you. >> >> >> >> Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris H >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:00 PM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Note to XP users >> >> Cheers for the rant. I get sick and tired as an IT amateur of those >> persisting with Xp. My belief is they don't like change and that's that. >> So cheers once again. >> >> On 11/09/2013 18:44, Thomas Ward wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know this is probably going to sound like a rant, I am not trying to >>> come off that way, but there are a couple of things I feel needs to be >>> said. I just don't think certain users think before posting questions >>> like this to the list. So I'd like to say something about it to help >>> encourage some thought into the discussion before such questions >>> arise. >>> >>> For example, a little while ago James asked how could he use the SAPI >>> 5.5 voices on his XP computer. Well, on the surface it sounds like a >>> reasonable question, but it actually lacks a little forethought >>> considering the fact XP is about to be officially dropped by Microsoft >>> next spring. If this user had thought about the situation through he >>> would know that Microsoft is cutting back on updates, is preparing to >>> discontinue service and updates, and aren't going to port something >>> designed for Windows 8, which is a selling point, back to Windows XP >>> which is for all intents and purposes about to be discontinued anyway. >>> There would be no point in Microsoft in doing so. >>> >>> The reason I am making an issue of this is simply this. The industry >>> standard for technical support and updates for a piece of software is >>> between five and ten years. XP users have been extremely lucky in that >>> Microsoft has continued to extend the support to 2014, but I don't >>> really see them extending it beyond that point. Windows XP was >>> originally released in 2001, way beyond the industry standard for >>> support, and now that Microsoft has officially announced the cut-off >>> date for XP they have been generous in giving XP users plenty of time >>> to upgrade to Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, whatever if they choose to. >>> However, it makes sense for the last year or so of XP's extended >>> support Microsoft would only release critical updates, patches, and >>> bug fixes to fill out the last year of support. They certainly aren't >>> going to put a lot of time and effort into back porting .NET 5.0, SAPI >>> 5.5, DirectX 11, etc to XP since from their point of view XP will be >>> discontinued anyway and most of those XP users will eventually upgrade >>> to one of the newer Windows platforms if they want to avail themselves >>> of the updates to those components. So asking how one might get SAPI >>> 5.5 for XP just really seems to underscore the fact that some XP users >>> are ignoring the fact that XP is about to be discontinued, and that >>> there are not going to be any new updates at all for it in the >>> foreseeable future. Its basically done and we can stick a fork in it. >>> >>> Now, I know this will not set well with some users because they really >>> do not like Windows Vista, Windows 7, or Windows 8. Sorry to say but >>> that is just too bad, because weather we like it or not a business >>> can't operate on a 14 year old piece of software. The way companies >>> like Microsoft works is by selling products. That is new software. >>> Once a piece of software like XP reaches a maximum number of sales it >>> begins to lose money because Microsoft has already made their millions >>> and now have to pay employees a salary to maintain it for several >>> years after it came onto the market. The way to make more money is to >>> release a new piece of software that supersedes the old one and yes, >>> offer features that can't be gotten for the old software. Something >>> like SAPI 5.5 can be seen as one of those new features of Windows 8, >>> along with their new Narrator, that is considered an exclusive upgrade >>> you get by purchasing their new Windows operating system. You want it >>> you got to pay for it. That's how they make money on their software, >>> and the people who don't understand this fact can keep looking for >>> free handouts for XP, but they aren't going to get them because >>> Microsoft is in it for the money. Since that is the case XP users >>> really need to recognize that there is no money in XP for them, and >>> they really need to think about that fact before they ask if such and >>> such new software from Microsoft is available for XP. Chances are it >>> won't be. >>> >>> So the point of this little rant is simply think a little before >>> asking a question. Realize that if you choose to stay with XP either >>> because of your financial situation or you simply don't like the newer >>> alternatives with XP's end of support coming up more and more >>> developers are going to stop continuing to support that OS and it will >>> become harder for them to do so. Although, I imagine some developers >>> here, particularly those using VB 6 may continue supporting XP for >>> some time to come, in the main just don't look for companies like >>> Microsoft etc to continue doing so because they have stopped for all >>> intents and purposes. I don't even know how long I will support XP >>> myself with my own software, because some components I use and want to >>> use are not available on XP, and XP users need to realize that their >>> beloved XP is just too old to run certain newer software. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> [email protected]. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>> list, >>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [email protected]. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [email protected]. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >> . >> > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to [email protected]. > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to [email protected]. --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. 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