And, as far as I know, they are no longer in existance.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Brandon Misch <[email protected]> wrote:

> well, bavisoft would have to be put into that category of not coming through 
> with its customers. Sure,, not with keys but with whole orders as the older 
> members on this list knows. 
> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I doubt that it will come to that point, but every one that quits producing 
>> is a loss to all of us, and if it is due to a few impatient and childish 
>> gamers, it makes me furious!
>> 
>> It is ture, though, that it should not take months to get a registration key 
>> after you have paid for one.  Then again, in comparison to the number of 
>> good experiences, how often does this unfortunate mishap happen?  And, has 
>> the developer never come through with the paid for key or keys?
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
>> On Jun 23, 2013, at 7:35 PM, "Bryan Peterson" <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sometimes things come up. Developers are in no way obligated to discuss 
>>> their personal lives on list. I agree it isn't right but nor is it right to 
>>> constantly harp on what few developers we have. People keep that sort of 
>>> behavior up and the day won't be long in coming when we'll have no 
>>> developers at all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,
>>> Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
>>> -----Original Message----- From: MamaPeach
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:30 PM
>>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
>>> 
>>> You visit any other website or business like Ebay, Amazon.com, Walmart.com,
>>> etc, , purchase a product, then you expect delivery of said product within a
>>> reasonable amount of time, say 7 to 14 days? Would you wait 6 months before
>>> inquiring where your product is? I don't know anyone that would be willing
>>> to spend their money on something and then wait for an unspecified amount of
>>> time to receive their purchased item and not get upset over not getting what
>>> was paid for. I don't see that it should be any different for developer's of
>>> games. People buy their products expecting to receive what they order, and
>>> when it never arrives, they aren't supposed to worry about where it is or
>>> why they haven't received it, and although they have written asking about
>>> why they haven't gotten it, they receive no response for the person they
>>> bought the item from?  This just doesn't make sense to me and it isn't good
>>> business practice, in my opinion. It makes me worry that if I choose to
>>> purchase a game, that the developer's do not care whether we ever get what
>>> we pay for. Six months? I know I would not appreciate waiting six months for
>>> something I spent money on. Patience is one thing, but come on, no one
>>> should have to wait that long when it is their money they are spending.
>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Bartlett
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:02 PM
>>> To: Gamers Discussion list
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
>>> 
>>> Sorry to say, but some people will never learn, and some people just don't
>>> care, so the people out there like you and me that appreciat and respact all
>>> the hard work that gos into making a game. With that said thank you to all
>>> the programmers and developers. Keep up all the hard work.
>>> 
>>> bfn
>>> James
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Charles Rivard" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:00 PM
>>> To: "audyssey gamers list" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: [Audyssey] what will it take for this community to learn?
>>> 
>>>> A thought on impatience:  Some people gripe about the length of time taken 
>>>> by developers to come out with a new game.  Some people gripe if they 
>>>> don't get a registration key right away.  Some people gripe about the fact 
>>>> that they don't have enough games to play.  Strangely enough, these 3 
>>>> complaints come from pretty much the same few people.  These are also the 
>>>> same people who want cheat codes very shortly after they get a new game.
>>>> 
>>>> Have you noticed what always seems to happen when these complainers really 
>>>> get on a roll?
>>>> 
>>>> James North produced many very good games and then quit.  Why did this 
>>>> occur??  Liam has voiced frustration, to say the least, and has openly 
>>>> voiced a consideration of quitting.  Why?  Other producers of games have 
>>>> also vacated the premises.  Guess why?
>>>> 
>>>> I commend those developers who have stuck it out and continue working for 
>>>> those of us who do care about and respect them.  For those of us who 
>>>> don't, and who only care about themselves and what they want, when they 
>>>> want it and no later, what's it going to take for you to learn what you 
>>>> cause?  It's about time you grow! up! and think about someone other than 
>>>> you for a change.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I'm angry, and I think I have a darned good reason to be.  Although I 
>>>> don't create games, I care about those who do, and it just flat burns me 
>>>> up when you drive these creators away with your selfish and downright 
>>>> childish behavior!
>>>> 
>>>> 
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