So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ? Even in Europ ? This sound crazy
Le 1 août 2013 à 22:19, Gary Baribault <[email protected]> a écrit : > Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data centres > !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the Tier 1 carriers. > Sure sounds far fetched! > > Gary B > > > On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote: >> Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS ? And >> how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on your network" :-) >> This would say that ISP agree and the amount of data to transfer would be >> so vast . How can they transfer all this amount of data into their system ?? >> >> >> Le 1 août 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >>> Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of the U.S. >>> would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They have to be tapping >>> all of the major traffic exchange sites in the U.S. to get this kind of >>> data. >>> >>> Gary B >>> >>> On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote: >>> > Did you understood how >>> they collect data ? This is not clear for me...ISP backdoor >>> ? Optical tap on sub marine wire ? >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Le 1 août 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski >>> <[email protected]> >>> a écrit : >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> it will be interesting to me what will remain of >>> the nsa >>> >>> >> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money >>> to the usa. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Detroit news are not very pink. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh >>> Davenport wrote: >>> >>> >>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister >>> suggests that we aren't >>> >>> >>> the slaves for nsa... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote: >>> >>> >>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do >>> online >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/ >>> >>> >>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees >>> 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online' >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> From the presentation: >>> >>> >>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in >>> country X >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that >>> has no >>> >>> >>>> connection to known strong-selectors >>> >>> >>>> **Anomalous events >>> >>> >>>> ***Someone who is using encryption >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> >>> >>>> Charter: >>> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> >>> >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> >>> >>> Charter: >>> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> >>> >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> >>> >> Charter: >>> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> >>> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> >>> > >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> >>> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> >>> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >
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