Further Exposing Sabine Hossenfelder With Six Physicists https://youtu.be/oipI5TQ54tA?si=jnXzCe6xNpzBXtXj
Classic Dave: "Thanks for helping us to reconstruct the timeline of you selling out to fascist oligarchs." >8^D But each of those actual physicists (and Dave previously) noted that some of her content is fine, good even. It's really the click-drivers, the money makers, that are problematic. I remember Hilary Clinton saying something like "you need both a public and private postion" on whatever issue. I agreed with her. E.g. my private opinion on gun control is to let anyone have any gun they want from pea shooters to armed drones. But my "political" opinion, were I ever in charge of any institution that was supposed to avoid triggering an apocalypse, is a strict federal licensing, bolt-action and shotguns only (despite my affection for my handguns). So it is with Sabine. I suppose we're way past the time when you could assess a person by character/virtues/vices. We are all disintegrated. Now we have to parse each utterance. Sabine contains multitudes. Maybe she's low-key applying for a job with the next King made by our big tech overlords? Would we trust her more or less than RFK Jr? FFS. On 8/4/25 7:04 AM, glen wrote:
Avoiding Toxic Charity in Argumentation https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11245-025-10238-9 Backing into toxic charity from the concept of "civility porn" (e.g. Lex Fridman), confirms my bias against "yes and" sense-making. But I admit that Stevens' distinction between types of rhetorical charity (ego, emic, & complex) gives some credence to those who call me contrarian. I spend way more time doing ego charity and not enough time in the emic mode. However, this trichotomy is also false. I don't believe one can do ego mode without doing emic mode ... at least and still call it "charity" with any fidelity. The words that come out of others' mouths never actually make sense to me ... even my own words revisited rarely make sense at first. I always have to decode whatever was being said before I can re-frame it in my current context. And I think it's that handicap of mine that leads face-to-face interlocuters to describe me as a competent listener. Anyway, the reason I'm posting it, here, is because Stevens' 1st footnote walls off assessing rhetoric from afar - like reading a 1500 page tome or trolling from your mom's basement. And that relates directly, I think, to epistemic loneliness and the dopaminergic addiction to LLMs. What, precisely, do we lose when we stop talking to live intelligence(s) and our intellectual diet is overwhelmed by zombie intelligence? I'm almost at the point where I'd prefer talking to a Nazi with a spittle soaked chin than ChatGPT ... almost, almost.
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