...I do not agree with the motives for attacking accreditors, and will admit that there might be a tiny baby in an ocean of bathwater, but I will not mourn their demise.davew
I'd like to see a larger discussion here of the abstractions involved in all forms of "governance" and "regulation".
We all have beaucoup personal anecdotal experiences of the myriad ways those designed-in feedback loops seem to go entirely awry or seem to work against their own stated purpose. This can exhibit as an acute (or even mild but chronic) inconvenience any one of us experiences as we rub up against said "regulations". It can also exhibit as what feels like a fundamental opposition of values (e.g. when I feel that it should be my personal choice whether I wear a seatbelt while driving vs feeling entirely comfortable with deferring to a rule declaring which side of an undivided highway I should be driving on).
To the extent that the universe is ordered by stacks of self-organizing systems (quarks, elementary particles, atoms, molecules, bio-molecules and cellular life, multicellular life, .... ) it would seem inevitable that there is a liminal range between these levels of organization where what multicellular creatures experience as *cancer* cells are to the cells themselves, just exercising their own (?latent?) sovereignty.
It is easy for me to identify with the peasants with their torches and pitchforks at the castle gates, but with a little self-awareness of my larger context also recognize that there is a logic to the higher-level organization of society that I am engaged in which it behooves me to understand and engage in (even if as a dissident or freedom-fighting revolutionary). A hallmark of life, and perhaps this stacked levels of reality I'm trying to gesture toward, seems to be to maintain a multi-scale loyalty/identity with upward/downward coupling... a cell needs to nurture it's own organelles while participating in being a good member of a tissue which in turn is organized into a good organ which collectively comprises an organism which fits into it's own familial/ecosystem/cultural context.
In the spirit of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", I tend to withdraw my participation from systems where I feel that my participation is more disruptive than not. I (like many) harbor all types of anti-social sentiments which have me *wanting* to disrupt systems which happen to be inconvenient or confounding to my sensibilities, but I also recognize that I actually don't want to participate in a "revolution" which I have no concept of what I will replace the existing organizational structure with. My outrage and energy are better directed to systems I *can* contribute to?
I don't mean to dismiss all "creative destruction" just recognize that perhaps there is always a bias against glancing up and down the stack of self-organization and noticing one's actual role in that continuum? Many little kids (esp. boys?) seem to find it more interesting to kick down someone else's sand castle than to build their own. Maybe a meta-rule of entropy at work?
Maybe this will trigger a return to Glen's rants about the implicit use of "levels" which is also welcome as I don't think my references here to "stacks" and "levels" are completely righteous by any means. I'd like to find a better language.
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