Again thank you. The result is over-interpreted, but I’m glad to have it, and it is related to the way I want to frame some of these questions.
Donna is defnly one of the silverbacks. She is the one who did the solution-separation experiments I referred to in the last post. It is good to know she did as much as this. It suggests that the elementary synthesis kinetics — in the system they built — favor doing exactly the _wrong_ thing that goes nowhere. People are really dug into the Central Dogma picture of control flow, because they think that gives them Darwin. So they must “synthesize first; then fold”. But I think that in the long run, that will not be the framing that gets at the contextually-relevant causal explanations. Still, great; good to have in the toolbox. Eric > On Jan 30, 2025, at 11:54, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > "The researchers specifically sought to reproduce homochirality in a central > process in amino acid production called transamination, by using a relatively > simple, plausibly prebiotic chemistry that excludes complex enzymes. > In early tests, the team’s experimental reaction worked, and yielded amino > acids that were enriched for one chiral form versus the other. The problem > was that the favored form was the right-handed form—the one that biology > doesn’t use. > > “We were stuck for a while, but then the light bulb went on—we realized we > could do part of the reaction in reverse,” Blackmond says. > > When they did that, the reaction no longer preferentially made right-handed > amino acids. In a striking example of kinetic resolution, it instead > preferentially consumed and depleted the right-handed versions—leaving more > of the desired left-handed amino acids. It thus served as a plausible route > to homochirality for amino acids used in living cells." > > https://astrobiology.com/2024/03/how-molecular-handedness-emerged-in-early-biology.html > > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fastrobiology.com%2f2024%2f03%2fhow-molecular-handedness-emerged-in-early-biology.html&c=E,1,ucHCjA95g5YAHl1cW2L6IdRV6ALGITq5DTVYkoT0G-Hx_aBzvS7vzcqz5SFSxiy9r6TWvogFNqUSoHYlsnctBrnv5tJDzUWJseAcBUMLk365y3NJ&typo=1> > > https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.2315447121 > <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.pnas.org%2fdoi%2fepdf%2f10.1073%2fpnas.2315447121&c=E,1,klE6LOB5u1cgc8WlOiduCsL9ecTQbALpVUGZyva-aWRBcvdHgF0eKphyYeg5E0RM3N0jh4vCCOJvlsyCs6cwGtwXLSiG16VXg90ZF-sP&typo=1> > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 8:48 PM glen <geprope...@gmail.com > <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Asteroid fragments upend theory of how life on Earth bloomed >> https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00264-3 >> "Glavin is most perplexed by the discovery of an equal mixture of >> left-handed and right-handed amino acids on Bennu. He, like many scientists, >> had thought that organic molecules from primordial asteroids would have had >> the same left-handed dominance as those from life on Earth. Now, researchers >> have to go back to the drawing board to understand how life might have been >> seeded on Earth." >> >> I remember but now can't find a recent article about how dangerous >> right-handed molecules are to life on earth. Peter Ward's book gifted me >> some rhetoric for a basic belief I'd held for awhile. Renee' believes in >> (complex) extraterrestrials. I don't, at least within some observation >> window (i.e. maybe they're out there but we'll never meet them). But it's >> completely reasonable that life emerged all over the universe. It's just >> difficult for me to imagine it (life) jumping through all these gen-phen >> ratchets. >> >> There must be a sci-fi novel out there where some cluster (alive or not) of >> right-handed molecules lands on earth and eats away at the biosphere. 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