IDK. I thought our discussion of Unconventional Essays on the Nature of Math indicated
that you're just as much of a mathematician as I am (i.e. mostly intuitive, rarely does
symbol manipulation on paper, never proves anything [new], etc). I guess it all depends
on what we take that symbol ("math") to mean.
And ignorance is different from naivete. Sorry if I misunderstood. That paper is not
beyond you; though it's reasonable to say "I refuse to read that paper." I get
it. We're all too busy to read these days.
On 12/30/24 13:27, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
I promise you, Glenn, I am just as naïve as I say I am. My brother was a
mathematician, and I caught one of his genes which means I have bizarre
mathematical intuitions, from time to time.Fortunately, I have good
mathematical friends ((among whom I count you)who keep me from staying stupid
things, mostly. So for instance, I think I now have an adequate understanding
of entropy to work out the relationship between isentropic contours, potential
temperature, potential vorticity, and cyclogenesis for the jetstream chapter in
my weather book revision.
I do find George useful, I have to admit, but only if I don’t trust him. I use
him to bombard the knowledge space with questions and from his answers, I get a
sense of the lay of the land. When he comes up with logical contradictions, it
tells me where to direct the next bombardment.
I am afraid your paper is beyond me, but I hope to profit from the discussion
which may follow.
Nick
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On Dec 30, 2024, at 2:03 PM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote:
I know Nick likes to claim mathematical ignorance. But I doubt his claim. So
this paper seems interesting:
The mathematics of the ensemble theory
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211379722000390
The 1st 2 assumptions make you read some math. But it's not that hard. Symbols
are symbols, no matter which way you cut it. The 3rd is stated in English. I
don't know how trustable this article is. Hell, since y'all trust ChatGPT so
much, ask it to translate the math to English for you. Maybe use o3 if you
have access to it [⛧]. But the idea of cutting down on the assumptions required
for reifying some arbitrary math pleases me. I have a lingering desire to
reject Marcus' conception of nihilism as a blank slate into which one pops and
pushes arbitrary axioms. But I want to get through Nihilistic Times first.
[⛧]
https://lifehacker.com/tech/openai-promises-chatgpt-o3-model-better-at-reasoning
Once you get its answers, you might go over to Claude and, using that English,
ask it for some proof-assistant code to re-formalize it. Only when the two
match could you call it trustable in any sense.
On 12/29/24 15:30, Jochen Fromm wrote:
Quanta Magazine recently had a nice illustration of entropy
https://www.quantamagazine.org/what-is-entropy-a-measure-of-just-how-little-we-really-know-20241213/
I would say addition of heat increases disorder/entropy in general because in a
typical thermodynamic system which is isolated from the environment
* Heat increases the kinetic energy of particles which start to move faster
* Faster movement leads to more collisions and diverging paths. In effect this
means small changes in one state of the system can result in large differences
in later states, i.e. to random motion
* More random motion increases the disorder/entropy of the system
-J.
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From: Nicholas Thompson <thompnicks...@gmail.com>
Date: 12/29/24 12:15 AM (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: [FRIAM] Boltzmann Distribution
FWIW, I have been struggling with the concept of entropy for the last month.
One of the puzzles was why entropy increased with addition of heat. I bullied
George for a few hours and he finally admitted not only that the mean and
variance of the B-distribution are correlated, but that its variance is the
square of its mean. Why that is the case is beyond both of us.
He also coughed up eventually the reason that adiabatic compression and
decompression don't alter entropy: there is a trade off between spatial
constraint and kinetic energy such that as the gas is confined its kinetic
energy goes up and with that a compensating increase in the variance of the KE.
Yeah. I know. Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.
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