@davew Wow! Last night I made graphs for the 2020 vs 2024 red shift by county in Michigan. The results were similar for all 3 types of voting machines used in different counties (Dominion, ES&S and Hart). Two Dominion counties were outliers, Wayne for its red shift, Leelanau for its 2% blue shift.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:00 AM <friam-requ...@redfish.com> wrote: > Send Friam mailing list submissions to > friam@redfish.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > friam-requ...@redfish.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > friam-ow...@redfish.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Election theft conspiracy theory (Prof David West) > 2. Re: Election theft conspiracy theory (glen) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> > To: friam@redfish.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:37:57 -0600 > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Election theft conspiracy theory > In the 1990s, I served on a "Blue Ribbon Committee" that was advising a > consortium of Midwest states (WI, MN, IA, SD) reviewing responses to an RFP > for voting machines. The most notable item in the RFP was a requirement for > a mechanism that would allow the head election official to "correct" vote > tallies when "necessary." The mechanism had to bypass the normal audit > trail. All of the proposals included such a feature and 'security' was > little more than a password. > > Of course, I never saw the code behind the machines that were eventually > purchased, but I always suspected that a clever hacker could exploit that > feature if, in fact, it was actually implemented. Because of that I have > always given, "grain of salt" credibility to claims of voting machine-based > fraud. > > davew > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024, at 9:37 AM, glen wrote: > > • I looked around a bit but couldn't find the code they say is easily > > accessible on GitHub. Maybe I just missed it. > > > > • It's fine to suggest that having the software allows it to be > > modified such that it could add a ballot. But we need the > > update/install mechanism. Was it sideloaded or did it use a standard > > update and the modification was included upstream? I'm too ignorant of > > how the tabulation machines work to know how plausible such an attack > > is. > > > > • Why fake bullet ballots? It seems like whatever templating software > > is used, it would be just as easy to vote straight ticket. But maybe > > there is some issue given state differences? Maybe it's easier to grep > > for Trump than it is for Republican? Plus, there's all those > > initiatives and non-partisan offices. > > > > The rest seems reasonable enough for Harris to file a challenge. I > > would. Apparently the deadline in NC is tomorrow? > > > > On 11/20/24 14:30, _ Bruno W wrote: > >> Anyone interested in double checking any of this or look at different > statistics. > >> I think it would be good to check that voter preference does correlate > with voting machine vendor. > >> I was able to get data from Michigan, have not looked beyond there yet. > >> But the data will need to be reformatted to be useful... > >> > https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked > > > > -- > > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. > > / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: glen <geprope...@gmail.com> > To: friam@redfish.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 08:33:04 -0800 > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Election theft conspiracy theory > That's excellent! Thanks. Were I Harris, I'd still file (a) challenge(s). > One of the reasons Trump is and has been "above the law" is because he > knows we're a litigious society. It's normal. So all the cases are thrown > out. If you don't play, you can't win. You don't have to be Trumpy in your > extracurricular signaling, which is what causes the "... fail[ure] to > consider political reasons for the loss and we will undermine confidence in > future elections—and our democracy". Plus, filing the challenges in a > dispassionate way signals *trust* in the institutions and methods, not > distrust. > > On 11/21/24 08:01, Roger Frye wrote: > > Towards the end of this article, Hubbell addresses the bullet ballot > claim. He urges caution, debunks much, links to a video of Spoonamore's > previous election rigging claims. Many other articles debunk the Starlink > connection. > > 72222aec-3d82-4853-a503-97a81f97d827_2992x1984.jpeg > > Addressing claims that the 2024 election was "stolen" < > https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election > > > > roberthubbell.substack.com < > https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election > > > > > > < > https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/addressing-claims-that-the-2024-election > > > > > > > >> On Nov 21, 2024, at 8:37 AM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> • I looked around a bit but couldn't find the code they say is easily > accessible on GitHub. Maybe I just missed it. > >> > >> • It's fine to suggest that having the software allows it to be > modified such that it could add a ballot. But we need the update/install > mechanism. Was it sideloaded or did it use a standard update and the > modification was included upstream? I'm too ignorant of how the tabulation > machines work to know how plausible such an attack is. > >> > >> • Why fake bullet ballots? It seems like whatever templating software > is used, it would be just as easy to vote straight ticket. But maybe there > is some issue given state differences? Maybe it's easier to grep for Trump > than it is for Republican? Plus, there's all those initiatives and > non-partisan offices. > >> > >> The rest seems reasonable enough for Harris to file a challenge. I > would. Apparently the deadline in NC is tomorrow? > >> > >> On 11/20/24 14:30, _ Bruno W wrote: > >>> Anyone interested in double checking any of this or look at different > statistics. > >>> I think it would be good to check that voter preference does correlate > with voting machine vendor. > >>> I was able to get data from Michigan, have not looked beyond there yet. > >>> But the data will need to be reformatted to be useful... > >>> > https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked > > > -- > ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ > > > _______________________________________________ > Friam mailing list > Friam@redfish.com > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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