Tom -

I listened to this and also to the same (roughly) lecture given at Oxford... with a different set of questions, etc. Thanks for opening it up here...

This ties in well with the (slim?) chance that AI facilitated modeling might actually allow us (modern/tech humanity) to course correct up to the horrific inertia in *all* the planetary boundaries being pushed....  the sociopolitics of it all suggest "probably not" but at least it seems to be becoming a *more tractable" technical problem (with outrageous changes in industry/infrastructure/first-world-lifestyles).

The earth-system (geosphere, hydrosphere, cryosphere, biosphere+noosphere) is undeniably a CAS and it fascinates me that many (including myself up until about 20 years ago) wanted to ignore the nonlinearities at risk and try to imagine it as the linear system the Old Testament promised the Patriarchs it would be for them (go forth and multiply/prosper).

Geoff Wests work on Scale is a great complement to Doyne's work here....  I am sure several (if not many) here have as good or better handle on what SFI and the holonic systems they member with have a better handle on this than I.

The JournoSphere as a CAS is also (yet) another coupled/holonic system among systems and the current distortions (think mainstream/right-wing/alternativeL/alternativeR/???) and oscillations is critical (but not yet ready) to help find/develop/transmit coherence into the inevitable phase transitions that we are already being sucked into...

Our maunderings about consciousness (mostly/only? individual organism/individual/LLM?) are part of this, but seem to neglect the holonic aspects of various scales of collective-ism.

Mumble,

- Steve

On 8/24/24 4:07 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
Friends:
If you're interested in macroeconomics, building dynamic models, and complexity, I encourage you to spend an hour and a half watching "Making Sense of Chaos: A Better Economics for a Better World," a Santa Fe Institute lecture by my former neighbor Doyne Farmer. This was delivered in Santa Fe a couple weeks ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2mqangYo6U <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2mqangYo6U>

Tom
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