By the way, my daughter's title in the Secretary of Public Education Office is Financial Technician. I can multiply two 2 digit numbers mentally pretty fast.
Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Aug 8, 2024, 7:11 AM Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote: > The following is hard to believe but true. > > Last weekend, I was in line at Walgreens. The older woman in front of me > gave the cashier a $20 bill for a $13.54 purchase. The young cashier was > completely unable to figure out the correct change. After a couple of > failed tries, the older woman tried to teach the cashier how to subtract > $13.54 from $20 but that was a failure. She then tried to get the casher to > add to $13.54 until the cashier reach $20. When that failed, she helped the > cashier add small change and dollars until she got to $6.46. > > I don’t think giving everyone a calculator is the solution. > > Ed > _______________________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/New+Mexico+1017+Sierra+Pinon+Santa+Fe,+NM+87501?entry=gmail&source=g> > 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > On Aug 7, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not sure my 30+ year old daughter knows the times tables. She works > for the Secretary of Public Education. If you ask her about it she will say > she uses calculators and spreadsheets. I think. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/140+Calle+Ojo+Feliz,++Santa+Fe,+NM+87505?entry=gmail&source=g> > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 9:12 PM Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> > wrote: > >> It is a test that you know your 7 or 8 times table. And the definition >> of a prime number (which could be given as part of the question, if >> not the curriculum). >> >> I would expect most 9 or 10 years olds should know their times tables. >> >> Or am I wrong abut kids these days? >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 12:43:54PM -0600, Tom Johnson wrote: >> > Ms. O'Hara: >> > >> > RE your story Sunday, "Does proficiency give full picture?" >> > From your lede: >> > "Pop quiz: What number is both a prime number and a factor or 56"? >> > >> > If I understand correctly, this is a question on an exam given to fourth >> > graders, 9- or 10-year-olds. >> > Could you please point me to some source in the city or state education >> > departments who can tell me what short- or long-term value this >> question about >> > mathematics -- NOT arithmetic -- has for students that age? >> > >> > We live in a state where it is a rare cashier who can do the mental >> > arithmetic to make change from a $20 bill. 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