Roger, can you send me the full article about Hinton in the M.I.T. review. Thanks.
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:39 PM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: > Didn't read Cory's blog, though I'm still laughing at the blurb for Red > Team Blues. > > But I read Geoffrey Hinton's interview with MIT Tech Review yesterday. > > > https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/05/02/1072528/geoffrey-hinton-google-why-scared-ai > > It's not hype that chatgpt dazzled everyone with a model which is much > smaller than a human brain, even though it took a fairly huge budget for > OpenAI to build it. > > And I read this posting from an anonymous googler today via hackernews. > > https://www.semianalysis.com/p/google-we-have-no-moat-and-neither > > It's not hype that the open source community has rapidly figured out how > to produce equally dazzling models with drastically smaller budgets of > resources, and is continuing to iterate the process. > > -- rec -- > > On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 10:11 AM Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> > wrote: > >> I love the graphic! I've had the misfortune of twice jumping on that >> roller coaster just before the Peak of Inflated Expectation - once for the >> AI boom/bust of the mid 1980s and once for the dotcom boom/bust of the late >> 1990s. Jumped on too late to make a killing, but didn't get too badly >> damaged by the Trough of Disillusionment either. >> >> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 10:34 AM Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> https://doctorow.medium.com/the-ai-hype-bubble-is-the-new-crypto-hype-bubble-74e53028631e >>> >>> I *am* a fan of LLMs (not so much image generators) and blockchain (not >>> so much crypto or NFTs) in their "best" uses (not that I or anyone else >>> really knows what that is) in spite of my intrinsic neoLuddite affect. >>> >>> Nevertheless I think Doctorow in his usual acerbic and penetrating style >>> really nails it well here IMO. >>> >>> I particularly appreciated his reference/quote to Emily Bender's "High >>> on Supply" and "word/meaning conflation" in the sense of "don't mistake an >>> accent for a personality" in the dating scene. >>> >>> A lot of my own contrarian commments on this forum come from resisting >>> what Doctorow introduces (to me) as "CritiHype" (attributed to Lee >>> Vinsel)... the feeling that some folks make a (a)vocation out of kneejerk >>> criticism. It is much easier to *poke* at something than to *do* >>> something worthy of being *poked at*. I appreciate that Doctorow doesn't >>> seem to (by my fairly uncritical eye) engage in this much himself... which >>> is why I was drawn into this article... >>> >>> I also very much appreciate his quote from Charlie Stross: >>> >>> *corporations are Slow AIs, autonomous artificial lifeforms that >>> consistently do the wrong thing even when the people who nominally run them >>> try to steer them in better directions:* >>> >>> >>> *https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9270-dude_you_broke_the_future >>> <https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9270-dude_you_broke_the_future> * >>> >>> >>> I could go on quoting and excerpting and commenting on his whole article >>> and the myriad links/references he offers up but will curb my enthusiasm >>> and leave it to the astute FriAM readers to choose how much to indulge >>> in. It was a pretty good antidote for my own AI-thusiasm driven by long >>> chats with GPT4 (converging on being more like long sessions wandering >>> through Wikipedia after the first 100 hours of engagement). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: 5/2017 thru present >>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. Center for Emergent Diplomacy emergentdiplomacy.org Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA mobile: (303) 859-5609
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