Ethics for a chatGPT bot at Microsoft might be: Add some training constraints to reduce complaints from customers. At some point there is enough peace, and that set of constraints is ethics. Kind of what humans do.
I'm not sure predicting the next token should be dismissied. With billions of (probabilistic) tokens representing hypotheses about hypotheses about complex phenomena, it could encode anything. -----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 9:49 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience Sorry. I also thought it was funny. But I think my reaction is more to the meaning of the phrase "a set of files [...] that represent human ethics." That we can even make sense of that phrase is amazing. Really, it's a lot like Eric's "word salad". We can say such things and actually mean something. Or we can say such things and kindasorta mean something. Or we can say such things and mean nothing at all (just calculate what the most likely next word should be). I've been in long-standing confusion about the meaning of "ethics". And almost without fail, if/when I say that to a group of people, particularly men, everyone jumps in and explains to me what they think it means. Of course, each of their explanations is different and often pairwise incommensurate. So, if they're sedate, by the end of the conversation, I can convince most people *they* don't know what "ethics" means, either. Add to that the implicit question of whether non-humans have ethics and the file metaphor (from paper to bits on disk to orchestrated bits on multiple disks to in-context learning modified bits on multiple disks), then that sentence is all over the map of possible meanings. That was supposed to be the point of my remark ... in the context of DaveW's question about the semantics of LLM workflows. On 2/8/23 19:49, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I don't know what Bing uses for storage, or how it relates to OpenAI's added > codebase. There are older references to use of TensorFlow at OpenAI, but > things may have changed. The "file" would likely be the serialization of > the (distributed) tensors of the ChatGPT model. One possible way storage > works is with Azure Blobs but I see they also use more conventional > POSIX-like filesystems like Lustre. I'm not sure what the point of your > remark is. It seems obvious to me a well-placed data engineer at Microsoft > could identify the exact scope of the secondary storage of Bing's neural > networks. My point is that passable cultural knowledge will probably fit in > a rack of disk drives (or maybe even a few?). I find that humorous, but I'm > told unusual things amuse me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 12:54 PM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Datasets as Experience > > Ha! It's cool you used the phrase "a set of files". What does "file" mean? I > mean, hell, we can't really even well-define "set". The other day, some > internet person was complaining that they wanted to leave Twitter now that > Elno's taken it to hell. But they needed a Delete. I took the liberty of > explaining that you can only delete things if there's only 1 of that thing. > Any distributed implementation, at best, makes deletion difficult or, at > worst, impossible. My example was a journaling file system, a boon for > irresponsible "rm -rf *" people and data forensics, but a bane for > Elno-types. We're so lost in metaphor, we can't even see our hand in front of > our face. > > On 2/8/23 11:47, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> I read that Bing won’t write a cover letter if asked. I love the idea of a >> set of files sitting on a filesystem at Microsoft that represent human >> ethics. It reminds me of people that complain about being characterized by >> their skill sets. I think we are going to learn just how little we are. > -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
