Thiel is a Christian weirdo.

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> On Oct 31, 2022, at 6:50 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Do you get this:
> 
> https://theweek.com/speedreads/972170/peter-thiels-largest-disclosed-political-donation-ever-possible-jd-vance-senate-run
> 
> Doctorow has an interesting take:
> 
> https://pluralistic.net/2022/10/26/boxed-in/
> "The Uihleins are ideologues, but it's a mistake to view their 
> authoritarianism, antisemitism, racism, and homophobia as the main force of 
> their ideology. First and foremost is their belief that they deserve to be 
> rich, and that the rich should be in charge of everyone else."
> 
> I'm not convinced. But it's plausible. What do Musk, Thiel, and the Uihleins 
> have in common? They *probably* think they're better at something than the 
> rest of us. What is that something they think they're better at? If you 
> answer that, then maybe it'll explain why Musk bought Twitter?
> 
>> On 10/31/22 06:42, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> I don’t get it.  It seems undisciplined to put his successful companies at 
>> risk to buy this money loser, while at the same time getting all this bad 
>> press.
>>>> On Oct 31, 2022, at 5:11 AM, glen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I deleted all my Tweets, unfollowed everyone, and removed all my 
>>> followers. Musk is an asshole. I know my lack of participation means 
>>> nothing. But at least I won't be (as) complicit. There are no good 
>>> billionaires 
>>> <https://patrioticmillionaires.org/2022/09/21/dont-trust-the-good-billionaires/>.
>>> 
>>> It's interesting how, in some cases, the existence of the most horrible of 
>>> any species (e.g. Uihlein 
>>> <https://www.propublica.org/article/uline-uihlein-election-denial>) can 
>>> make the others seem "good". It's like a murderer saying "At least I'm not 
>>> a rapist." Or a rapist saying "At least I'm not a pedophile." And a 
>>> pedophile saying "At least I don't kill 'em." Honor among thieves.
>>> 
>>> As SteveS mentioned earlier, I'm almost diametrically opposed to effective 
>>> altruism for exactly this reason. The argument is basically: Hustle! Then 
>>> Dole. I'm willing to change my mind. 
>>> https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/YgbpxJmEdFhFGpqci/winners-of-the-ea-criticism-and-red-teaming-contest
>>> 
>>> Even when we give Billionaires [ptouie] the benefit of the doubt, forgive 
>>> them for their rapacious and exploitative methods, and
>>> say "At least they're doing Good Things, now", the Hustle! Then Dole 
>>> lifestyle hones/perfects dystopian Taylorism 
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Winslow_Taylor>. It's only when 
>>> these old codgers begin to see Death a little more clearly, do they 
>>> discover some sort of moral frame, while (metaphorically) meditating at the 
>>> edge of their infinity pool built on the ridgeline of some desert mountain 
>>> range. And, as we see in Musk, their lifetime of isolation within the 
>>> outsized scope of their own influence (because, well, money is God, 
>>> omnipresent, omniscient, etc.), puts them at risk of dimension reducing 
>>> attractors like most individualist, right-wing causes. E.g. "free speech" 
>>> (distinct from free speech, with no quotes).
>>> 
>>>> On 10/30/22 11:37, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>>>> Until now I have used 3 Twitter accounts for scientific, development and 
>>>> personal stuff. I have used them more frequently since Google+ was shut 
>>>> down. One main reason why I do not use Facebook or Instagram is Mark 
>>>> Zuckerberg. As Grady Booch used to say "Facebook is a profoundly unethical 
>>>> company, and it starts at the top, with Mark Zuckerberg".
>>>> For Twitter it is similar now. I really don't want to support a platform 
>>>> that belongs to someone who likes to insult others, like Garry Kasparov or 
>>>> the real Tesla founder Martin Eberhard or many others, just the way Trump 
>>>> likes to do it.
>>>> The note for advertisers was plain marketing. His intention to save the 
>>>> world? A lie. This town square stuff? Nonsense. He certainly didn't write 
>>>> this, it was more likely written by Twitter's CCO Sarah Personette and her 
>>>> team. However, he has created his own hell by buying the platform he is 
>>>> addicted to.
>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation
>>>> I am using Mastodon instead now, which does not belong to an egomanic or 
>>>> eccentric billionaire. Yes, it is named after an animal which died out at 
>>>> the end of the Pleistoscene, but the distributed and decentralized 
>>>> approach is much better than having one big centralized system. My new 
>>>> Mastodon accounts are here:
>>>> fediscience.org/@cas_group
>>>> berlin.social/@JochenFromm
>>>> ruby.social/@jofr
>>>> -J.
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Steve Smith <[email protected]>
>>>> Date: 10/30/22 6:50 PM (GMT+01:00)
>>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [FRIAM] (not) leaving Twitter
>>>> https://mashable.com/article/please-stop-tweeting-leaving-twitter
>>>> https://mashable.com/article/i-was-going-to-quit-twitter-but-elon-musk-takeover
>>>> I have a *very* limited twitter engagement myself.  Same with FB and 
>>>> *zero* with anything else *but* Instagram where I restrict myself to 
>>>> viewing and posting and liking the equivalent of "family" snapshots for my 
>>>> family and closer friends.
>>>> I tried *mostly* to ignore the implications of a Musk 
>>>> privatization-takeover of Twitter during all the on-again off-again period 
>>>> but/and now as it has become a "done deal" I feel more able to engage in 
>>>> thinking about that (unable to avoid thinking about that?).  I thought I 
>>>> might de-activate/delete my nearly unused account when I discovered that I 
>>>> had a renewed interest (morbid fascination) in watching it spin out 
>>>> (decohere) or not from the front row.   I found myself looking for whether 
>>>> Musk's magic pixie dust would somehow trigger a phase transition (likely 
>>>> there will be one, but probably not the kind most of us hope for).
>>>> Earlier discussions on *this* forum touched on what would make for a 
>>>> proper *metaverse* (not the one Zuckerberg is trying to create from 
>>>> whole-cloth).   My (very loose) engagement with the Cardano/Catalyst work 
>>>> and interest in blockchain is motivated by this as well.
>>>> Musk's attempts to characterize Twitter as a "town square" feels very 
>>>> off-base in many ways:
>>>>    
>>>> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-twitter-is-unlikely-to-become-the-digital-town-square-elon-musk-envisions/
>>>> What do "town squares" look like in "company towns"?    And why does most 
>>>> social media so often feel more like a rolling street-brawl?
>>>> I worked *peripherally* on a project at LANL trying to address the 
>>>> possibilities/implications roughly 30 years ago:
>>>>    http://library.sciencemadness.org/lanl1_a/lib-www/pubs/00285557.pdf
>>>> there were some good insights, but it was all so young and fresh and raw 
>>>> at the same time...
> 
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